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Post by KennyG on Apr 19, 2006 12:22:06 GMT
Is the link that is provided by Mr Helpful a backdoor entrance to the same service that is supposedly accessed via registration with the BBC Motion Gallery? The link below takes you to a Username/Password page but I cannot gain access with my Motion Gallery password. www.bbcmotiongallery.com/infax/default.aspxMy one also won't work for some reason.... |
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Post by KennyG on Apr 19, 2006 12:40:38 GMT
Okay, had another look -- it's impossible to tell if something exists are not from the database. For instance, there's no hint that the Adventure Game's missing episodes are lost for example
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Post by Grumbledook on Apr 19, 2006 14:00:05 GMT
In addition, it does not list the format in which the material is held; e.g. it lists "The Playgirl Club" episode of The Goodies, but does not mention it is black and white only; therefore, if someone happened to have a color copy, presumably they would be interested.
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Post by Dan S on Apr 19, 2006 19:39:56 GMT
Same here, page unavailable is displayed. When I tried the site yesterday the response time was very slow, about 30 seconds. I guess so many people are trying to access it that it can't handle it. |
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Post by Steve Boyce on Apr 19, 2006 20:20:19 GMT
Yes, it's also very slow for me, in fact more like 2-3 minutes
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Post by Colin Cutler on Apr 20, 2006 8:47:38 GMT
. By and large though, almost anything pre-July 1976 that's on Infax will exist... If you're really desperate to know whether something exists you can always ask here! In this regard, I can't help but take up your offer regarding the listed "Out of the Unknown" holdings. There are several 'known' entries therein - Liar ( clips listed ), The Little Black Bag, the recently found clip from 'Random Quest' etc ( and I'm presuming the 'Yellow Pill' entry refers to the soundtrack recording donated to the BBC Sound Archive ). Curiously, however, there are also entries for 'Beach Head' and 'The Naked Sun' - and I was wondering whether you could throw any light on whether this is likely to refer to clips or other extant material ( such as music/sound effects tracks etc. ). There was a reference some years ago, for example, of a clip from 'Beach Head' turning up in a early/mid-seventies science documentary ( akin to the Horizon series ). Any info gratefully received. Regards Colin |
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Post by andrew martin on Apr 20, 2006 12:29:12 GMT
"Beach Head" and "Naked Sun" are also held as sound recordings from collectors' off-air copies. These, and "Yellow Pill" are held by the tv archive, the sound archive only holds radio material.
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Post by Colin Cutler on Apr 20, 2006 12:57:01 GMT
"Beach Head" and "Naked Sun" are also held as sound recordings from collectors' off-air copies. These, and "Yellow Pill" are held by the tv archive, the sound archive only holds radio material. Excellent ( and completely surprising!) news - many thanks Andrew. I had no idea these soundtracks existed, bar the poor quality audio clips that have been in circulation for a few years now. Can you say whether these are fairly recent additions to the archive? You're probably aware of this anyway, but the soundtrack to the missing fourth season story "The Uninvited" also exists as a complete recording. Also a 33 second excerpt from "The Last Witness" was also apparently located amongst a batch of Australian ( ABC) 'censored' clips - presumably this has found its way into the archive by now? Thanks for the confirmation anyway - wonderful news Regards Colin |
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Post by Steve Boyce on Apr 20, 2006 17:47:12 GMT
I think that will be news to a lot of people? That the Naked Sun exists is especially exciting as I can remember watching it as a kid! If the rumoured DVD ever appears, this would be a great extra!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2006 21:55:45 GMT
The BBC database is a very interesting idea. I just wanted to ask a few points about it to Andrew Martin, if you're around, Andrew?
1) Is the listing of an item on the database a definite indication that it is in the BBC archive?
2) Will more detailed info on programme content be added as it goes along (e.g. Late Night Line Up merely breaks it down to a specific number of programmes per year - presumably those still held - but there is no breakdown of content for individual editions)?
3) Will the search speed be improved (it is painfully slow right now and search takes about 3 or 4 minutes to come up)?
All in all it's a big step on the right direction. Great stuff!
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Post by peter kennedy on Apr 21, 2006 1:25:21 GMT
laurence i can help you on one point.
As im a Big Olvia fan I know a guy who used to work at the BBC who is Also a Fan,
And Everything on Olivia thats listed does Exsist, as i have most of it sourced from there.
There would also be other bits where olvia was host on TOTP and Guest on Parksinson that should be linked to those shows but artn at this time,
and id asume there are many news bits too
None of her misisng material is listed at all especailly TOTP but are under the TOTP archives,The cliff 71 72 shows are gone and they arnt listed, either is her 4 part moods of love series,they only list the remaining segmant of that, they also dont list the actual voting show of song for europe 1974 but since thats just a combine of the 2 shows before it there is no need to keep that in ther archives i asume.
so as it seems from an Olvia fans point of view ,the site seems to just list what is held by bbc not what they have shown and since dumped or wiped
there may be a few flaws here and there but its very acurate in many places.
Take Care
peter
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Post by peter kennedy on Apr 21, 2006 1:29:57 GMT
Sorry the Olvia totp host 1980 is under her name too
just had to get it in before someone else got it haha
so really just the parkinson shows dont have guests linked yet
at least not the shows olvia was on 2-12-78 and 24-9-80
peter
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Post by andrew martin on Apr 21, 2006 12:41:48 GMT
The BBC database is a very interesting idea. I just wanted to ask a few points about it to Andrew Martin, if you're around, Andrew? 1) Is the listing of an item on the database a definite indication that it is in the BBC archive? 2) Will more detailed info on programme content be added as it goes along (e.g. Late Night Line Up merely breaks it down to a specific number of programmes per year - presumably those still held - but there is no breakdown of content for individual editions)? 3) Will the search speed be improved (it is painfully slow right now and search takes about 3 or 4 minutes to come up)? All in all it's a big step on the right direction. Great stuff! 1) Not necessarily - there are entries for every network programme transmitted since July 1976, in some cases there is no material held. Some entries now just have a record of material which was subsequently junked. Prior to July 1976 the entries are mostly for programmes where there is material held, but again there are some programmes where there is just a 'junked' record, and some are there for no apparent reason. Every episode of Dr Who is on there, though the archive doesn't have any material for the 'missing' ones, as we haven't recevied copies of the off-air soundtracks (I suspect because people would just borrow them for non-work reasons!). 2) Something like LNLU is basically a record of the editions with holdings - part of the rationale behind not listing every programme is to avoid giving people the erroneous impression that programmes exist... In terms of cataloguing, there is a specific office which is involved in adding extra information to existing programme records - so more information is being added to the system constantly, but I couldn't say when LNLU specifically is likely to be 'done'. Some recent programmes to be updated include "Blue Peter", "Tom Tom" and a lot of 1960s and 1970s schools programmes. 3) Sorry, I have no idea - I would suspect if enough people complain about it something *might* be done...! |
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Post by Matthew K Sharp on Apr 23, 2006 12:26:08 GMT
It's a very nice resource to have available, and all power to those in the Beeb whose initiative it was to put it on line. Like all data sources, though, one has to be aware of its limitations.
I've already found a couple of very interesting bits of info which explain one or two otherwise inexplicable things. But a query for Andrew Martin... I see Marty 1/4 (20 May 68, LLC5507K) is listed - does it actually survive?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2006 9:34:42 GMT
That's the biggest problem with this database. You just don't know how to "read" the material in front of you. I have encountered this problem many times already (i.e. does something that is listed exist or not). A simple tick or symbol alongside an entry that is in the archive would help immeasurably!
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