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Post by John Wall on Dec 31, 2016 17:31:19 GMT
It's well over three years since Enemy and Web came back, so what could come back in 2017 ?
We know that Philip Morris is still on the trail of WoF3 and some other Season 5 episodes were in Nigeria. However, the longer he looks and the more places he gets into - and finds nothing - the less likely recoveries become. Eventually he'll have checked everywhere and it'll then be a question of prints that went "walkies".
There may still be prints in private collections, but it's unlikely there are very many.
Fingers crossed !
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Post by scotttelfer on Dec 31, 2016 17:32:31 GMT
We hope for Web 3, although the best we can probably expect is another animation.
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Post by John Wall on Dec 31, 2016 17:37:28 GMT
We hope for Web 3, although the best we can probably expect is another animation. At some time there will probably be a WoF "Special Edition" - if PM finds Part 3 the telesnap reconstruction will be replaced, if not you're almost certainly right about an animation. Beef it up with a few decent extras and I'd buy it. |
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Post by cjones on Dec 31, 2016 18:20:16 GMT
Agree. WoF 3, if we're lucky; Marco, if we're *really* lucky. Aside from that, it is the usual hoping for orphan episodes. The success of POTD suggests a way forward in terms of reconstructions, but if we're talking about discoveries, I think the above is all she wrote.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Dec 31, 2016 18:56:37 GMT
I actually think WoF 3 is very likely to appear, though I don't know when. IMO, PM knows it exists, otherwise he wouldn't be saying what he's saying in the interviews. Once you know something exists it's just a matter of time, IMVHO.
Even if you don't accept my argument, it was known to exist a short time ago, and that puts WoF 3 in an entirely different league to any other missing episode.
After that, it's all conjecture, though I would give Snowmen and Wheel the greatest chance of existence given that they were the other half of the four stories that were sold abroad together and which we now have half of back.
Beyond that - it's just guesswork.
Richard
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Post by Philip C Huish on Dec 31, 2016 21:27:31 GMT
I actually think WoF 3 is very likely to appear, though I don't know when. IMO, PM knows it exists, otherwise he wouldn't be saying what he's saying in the interviews. Once you know something exists it's just a matter of time, IMVHO. Even if you don't accept my argument, it was known to exist a short time ago, and that puts WoF 3 in an entirely different league to any other missing episode. After that, it's all conjecture, though I would give Snowmen and Wheel the greatest chance of existence given that they were the other half of the four stories that were sold abroad together and which we now have half of back. Beyond that - it's just guesswork. Richard Given what Phil has said about things being in places that they were not sold to I think that there is a possibility of some of the other season 5 episodes being found in nigeria even if they were not ones that were paid for. |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 31, 2016 22:01:39 GMT
I actually think WoF 3 is very likely to appear, though I don't know when. IMO, PM knows it exists, otherwise he wouldn't be saying what he's saying in the interviews. Once you know something exists it's just a matter of time, IMVHO. Even if you don't accept my argument, it was known to exist a short time ago, and that puts WoF 3 in an entirely different league to any other missing episode. After that, it's all conjecture, though I would give Snowmen and Wheel the greatest chance of existence given that they were the other half of the four stories that were sold abroad together and which we now have half of back. Beyond that - it's just guesswork. Richard Given what Phil has said about things being in places that they were not sold to I think that there is a possibility of some of the other season 5 episodes being found in nigeria even if they were not ones that were paid for. Do we know exactly how/why Enemy and Web ended up in Jos yet ? |
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Post by Dylan Heath on Dec 31, 2016 22:53:35 GMT
Given what Phil has said about things being in places that they were not sold to I think that there is a possibility of some of the other season 5 episodes being found in nigeria even if they were not ones that were paid for. Do we know exactly how/why Enemy and Web ended up in Jos yet ? I'm not sure about this but I'm pretty sure it was a relay station and it was intended to be passed on to another station in Nigeria but ended up being kept there. Not certain of that however. |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 31, 2016 22:57:15 GMT
Do we know exactly how/why Enemy and Web ended up in Jos yet ? I'm not sure about this but I'm pretty sure it was a relay station and it was intended to be passed on to another station in Nigeria but ended up being kept there. Not certain of that however. I wondered about that. Seems that originally prints were bicycled around Australia to enable different areas to see the programme - no fundamental reason why Nigeria wasn't the same. |
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Post by Dylan Heath on Dec 31, 2016 23:02:07 GMT
I'm not sure about this but I'm pretty sure it was a relay station and it was intended to be passed on to another station in Nigeria but ended up being kept there. Not certain of that however. I wondered about that. Seems that originally prints were bicycled around Australia to enable different areas to see the programme - no fundamental reason why Nigeria wasn't the same. There was an African country back in the day, it might have been Nigeria that was split up into different regions (it might have even been countries) and they all aired stuff separately hence wy they bicycled the prints round the different regions so everybody got a taste of Doctor Who and other TV shows. |
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Post by Mike Biggs on Dec 31, 2016 23:52:16 GMT
I have high hopes over WOF 3, we know that still existed recently and people are working on it.
I was very impressed by Phil Morris' recent interviews, his work in Africa sounds extremely thorough. If there is any missing TV shows still to be found at the organisations in Africa, he will find them. Of course, we need to remember that looking for missing Doctor Who is only a tiny part of what he is doing!
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jan 1, 2017 1:08:38 GMT
I have high hopes over WOF 3, we know that still existed recently and people are working on it. I was very impressed by Phil Morris' recent interviews, his work in Africa sounds extremely thorough. If there is any missing TV shows still to be found at the organisations in Africa, he will find them. Of course, we need to remember that looking for missing Doctor Who is only a tiny part of what he is doing! I trust Morris enough to rest the matter of missing episodes once he has completed his search, sure ones fro private collectors may turn up, but the days of finding them in foreign TV stations can finally be put to bed. Its the uncertainty that kills us about the missing episodes, once we are reasonably certain about whats going to never return we can direct our efforts into producing the best possible way of watching these lost treasures. |
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Post by Mike Biggs on Jan 1, 2017 2:29:34 GMT
I have high hopes over WOF 3, we know that still existed recently and people are working on it. I was very impressed by Phil Morris' recent interviews, his work in Africa sounds extremely thorough. If there is any missing TV shows still to be found at the organisations in Africa, he will find them. Of course, we need to remember that looking for missing Doctor Who is only a tiny part of what he is doing! I trust Morris enough to rest the matter of missing episodes once he has completed his search, sure ones fro private collectors may turn up, but the days of finding them in foreign TV stations can finally be put to bed. Its the uncertainty that kills us about the missing episodes, once we are reasonably certain about whats going to never return we can direct our efforts into producing the best possible way of watching these lost treasures. Yes, I completely agree. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the odd episode turned up from an archive somewhere. In general terms, a lot of archives have backlogs, some of which are very poorly described. And there is always the chance of something that was misfiled turning up. I'll be interested to see if any information is found about the films sent to Singapore. Sounds like they are believed to have been bicycled on to other countries, sent back to the BBC or destroyed. It would be nice if there was some documentation to confirm either way. |
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Post by George D on Jan 1, 2017 6:27:01 GMT
Assuming we remove the random episode showing up from the picture (which is probably the most likely find), the only one know existing recently was web 3, so I agree with the opinions thinking that direction, if I had to pick the next likely possibility, then I would pick snowman or wheel as they were closest to web/wheel in Nigeria so its possible phil might be onto them. however there is no guarantee we will find anything. These shows haven't been broadcast for over 40 years, they have been searched for for 40 years. And the amount of prints made is miniscule.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jan 1, 2017 8:45:48 GMT
I trust Morris enough to rest the matter of missing episodes once he has completed his search, sure ones fro private collectors may turn up, but the days of finding them in foreign TV stations can finally be put to bed. Its the uncertainty that kills us about the missing episodes, once we are reasonably certain about whats going to never return we can direct our efforts into producing the best possible way of watching these lost treasures. Yes, I completely agree. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the odd episode turned up from an archive somewhere. In general terms, a lot of archives have backlogs, some of which are very poorly described. And there is always the chance of something that was misfiled turning up. I'll be interested to see if any information is found about the films sent to Singapore. Sounds like they are believed to have been bicycled on to other countries, sent back to the BBC or destroyed. It would be nice if there was some documentation to confirm either way. For sure, so much went to Singapore and nobody has any idea what happened to the prints. Maybe Phil Morris will find out something as I assume Singapore is one of his destinations considering how many prints ended up there. |
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