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Post by timmunton on Sept 10, 2016 1:10:13 GMT
Maybe an animated Mission/Master Plan could be released in 2 separate DVD volumes ( ie as part 1 then part 2 ) - similar to the 2 volume novelization of some time ago.
That way sales revenues for the story could be doubled. (And maybe some of the increased revenue could be used to finance one or 2 extras eg a commentary by Peter Purves & whoever, & a documentary split over the 2 releases. Or just bare bones releases if that's still not viable )
I'd be happy to buy it in 2 volumes ( with or without extras )
What does everybody else think?
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Post by lousingh on Sept 10, 2016 1:27:25 GMT
Please, please please understand I am not trying to be rude or insulting to anyone but when I opened this thread I was trying to say that any further animations have to be commercially viable. I was trying to say that Power was animated because of it's importance to the Who story as a whole. It is/was a significant gap in telling a complete story. No other story how good, loved, demanded, recommended , wished for fills that position. Yes, other stories have companions arrive or leave but in the great scheme of things, in the real, hard world of big business that would probably cut little ice. The best we can hope for is an animation of Evil simply because it contains Daleks. Like everyone I would love to see every last episode returned or animated but I am not optimistic. I honestly can't see any of the historicals making it. I sincerely hope I'm proved wrong. I really hate sounding negative but, if you remember, we only got Underwater by the skin of our teeth. on a more positive note:- Perhaps BBC could allow some of the brilliant fan reconstructions could be allowed formal release. Or ........ following the recent Lost Sitcom season we could ask for a Lost Drama season........? Keep searching. Keep hoping. Honestly, if I had the time and more of the skills, I would do animated reconstructions for free. I want to see them that badly. However, if Power does well, I figure the big-ticket stories (monster or reputation) would be tried. In descending order, The Evil of the Daleks, The Wheel in Space, The Dalek Master Plan, and The Abominable Snowmen would seem to be the most likely. If people stampede over each other to get those, then maybe they go all out. Let's see how realistic this is. Let me assume that the cost I found for animation of "The Simpsons" is the minimum: $500-$1000 per SECOND. So taking an average of 22 minutes per episode, that's about 22 mins / episode x 60 seconds / minute x 750 dollars / minute = about $1M per episode just for the animation. Are your sales going to cover that development cost plus DVDs plus packaging plus artwork...? Opinions?
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Post by Robert Lia on Sept 10, 2016 3:23:54 GMT
If The Power of the Daleks gets good ratings on BBC America that is a good thing for the future of animations, if it tanks ratings wise on BBC America they may not want to invest in father animation's. Sadly that may make BBC Worldwide a little nervous about commissioning more story's that don't have a high profile monster.
For Me I think they will only do story's with tele snaps. TO me that means the viable candidates are The Faceless Ones, The Evil of the Daleks, The Abominable Snowman, Fury from the Deep and The Wheel in Space. The other 4 part story's being lower profile.
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Post by richardwoods on Sept 10, 2016 4:32:48 GMT
What! Surely the next obvious candidate would be The Highlanders, with its 50th anniversary coming up.
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Post by andyeves on Sept 10, 2016 4:39:14 GMT
What! Surely the next obvious candidate would be The Highlanders, with its 50th anniversary coming up. Yeah and if they don't, that's irrefutable proof that Highlanders MUST already have been recovered
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Post by richardwoods on Sept 10, 2016 4:58:41 GMT
Lol
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Post by Will Weller on Sept 10, 2016 8:42:33 GMT
I think Fury from the Deep is the next obvious contender for an animated DVD and BBC Store release after Evil (if Evil is animated). It pains me to say it, but with nine episodes missing, and Mission to the Unknown, I think Master Plan might be just slightly too expensive. But, just say that Evil and Fury are done next, that would be three serials animated, (with Power), all of which have six episodes missing. So after that, with "only" four episodes missing, The Faceless Ones maybe? I get the feeling at that point they'd feel obliged to do a Hartnell. If not at this point, then it will happen eventually. At least they've got Galaxy 4 and The Celestial Toymaker to keep them going before they start hitting the historicals. I actually think Toymaker would work really well with the animated style, I'm just a bit concerned they'll dive in with Marco Polo and kill the line. That's a very good point Scott, I think if they did do a Hartnell, Toymaker would be a good choice. As much as I would want Galaxy 4, it might be less of a priority due to the recon on The Aztecs SE DVD.
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Post by George D on Sept 10, 2016 15:19:44 GMT
As much as in like toy maker, I wouldn't pick it because the doctor is missing from 2 episodes.
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Post by richardwoods on Sept 10, 2016 18:09:58 GMT
How about The Savages then? A bit of classic sci-fi.
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Post by scotttelfer on Sept 10, 2016 18:57:15 GMT
How about The Savages then? A bit of classic sci-fi. The funding is hanging on a US broadcast, I wouldn't take the chance.
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Post by richardwoods on Sept 10, 2016 20:31:25 GMT
Yeah sadly you are probably right. Just a personal favourite from the Hartnell era that would be nice to see again in some form. It's probably the first Who I've any memory of.
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Post by Max B on Sept 10, 2016 23:16:03 GMT
I have to assume Evil is the next likely candidate, though it's possible that BBC America would want to try something different rather than double-dipping on the Daleks. The fact that Evil has an episode still existing might also count against it getting animated, since BBC America presumably won't want to jump back-and-forth between real episodes and animations, but will probably not want to animate an episode that already exists either. If there is going to be another animation, I think they might go for another completely missing story that can nevertheless be sold as a creepy-monster-thriller. Something like 'The Macra Terror' or 'Fury from the Deep.'
That said, I don't actually think more animation are very likely, even if this one sells well. I don't know how it is in the UK, but here in the states Doctor Who very much gets treated as Event Television. BBC America hypes every new episode as much as possible and fills the month or so leading up to a new season with documentaries and marathons in order to generate as much excitement for the show as possible. With no new episodes until Christmas, no series "event" like a regeneration or a Doctor debut, no missing episode announcements for the foreseeable future, and only a loose spin-off to hedge their bets on, BBC America were surely looking for something to generate excitement, and, with interest in the classic series in the US having been reinvigorated by the 50th anniversary special (and accompanying Doctors Revisited specials) and the Troughton era in particular by the Enemy/Web announcement, I would bet that they saw a remake of a missing classic of the Troughton era, aired as a lead-up to the Christmas special, as a good way of getting the series some attention.
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Post by johnbarbour on Sept 11, 2016 8:46:00 GMT
I think that Max B makes a very good case for not getting carried away though I appreciate that we are all using educated guesswork and only Time will tell :-) And I'm also hoping that Philip Morris pulls a few rabbits out of the hat (or dump site) so that we don't have to make do with animated versions. Part of me would just as happily reread the novelisation of Power (which is one of the best) than watch an animated interpretation. You simply cannot reproduce Patrick Troughton with a cartoon character. I shall still buy the product but ....
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Post by ianphillips on Sept 11, 2016 13:44:12 GMT
I think that Max B makes a very good case for not getting carried away though I appreciate that we are all using educated guesswork and only Time will tell :-) And I'm also hoping that Philip Morris pulls a few rabbits out of the hat (or dump site) so that we don't have to make do with animated versions. Part of me would just as happily reread the novelisation of Power (which is one of the best) than watch an animated interpretation. You simply cannot reproduce Patrick Troughton with a cartoon character. I shall still buy the product but .... That's exactly the reason why I think it is more important to find the Trughtons than the Hartnells. It's all action vs. dialogue. A lot of Troughton's humor came from his movements and expressions while almost all of Hartnell's humor was based around what he said which means that his stuff would still be funny with an animation while Troughton's would not. It would be like watching a Tom Baker episode where you could never see him crack his big toothy grin. In fact, the Hartnell episodes as a whole tend to work much better as reconstructions than the Troughtons with a only few exceptions like the Macra Terror and the Celestial Toymaker. It's why we can still fully enjoy the Massacre while getting bored by the Highlanders for the exact reason that the Highlanders had much more action in it. When I first watched the Macra Terror reconstruction and saw the 8 mm clip where the Doctor jokingly says "Whoever wrote that ought to be sent to the danger gang, not us." And then starts laughing was what really made me realize how much weaker an animated version of Troughton would be.
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Post by John W King on Sept 11, 2016 20:23:47 GMT
I think MaxB is on the same wavelength as me. Power ticked a lot of boxes to be animated. And as you say, the big problem with animating any Troughton story is dear old Patrick himself. He was a truly great but underrated actor. He could say so much with subtle facial expressions and body movements. My recollection of his early stories was that he appeared to almost be overacting at times. As he matured into the role his performance changed. This is why any animations are most welcome but the actual broadcast episodes tell the true story. I sincerely hope more animations follow. But it won't be Savages, Highlanders or Fury.
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