power animation?

[seanrobbins]

Aug 24, 2016 15:51:54 GMT steveb said:

Aug 23, 2016 20:13:18 GMT Alex Taylor said:

It's an automated system! If it looks like BBC content - which it clearly does - then the system flags it. There is no evidence that the BBC have 'claimed copyright' as you put it. The system flagged it, possibly correctly, possibly in error - we simply have no way of knowing until and unless the copyright holder stands up and confirms it. The systems are not infallible - false positives and false negatives happen all the time.

I dont think an automated system could possibly have flagged a cartoon, even a cartoon of daleks, as bbc content!!!. The initial flagging must have been manual.

This isn't quite true. The automated system as I understand can pick up on certain signatures. The sound is very big and well developed one but there are others.

Once a video is tagged as against Youtube policy whether that is copyright or any other breach of policy, that same video can be found again based on a different signature. Like the binary signature much of which will match like a fingerprint even if the sound is removed an the video cut in half. This can be matched even if the file copied, the sound removed and the video is cut in half.

There does not need to be a check on the visual content.

I've seen it said that the 'Daleks conquer and destroy' scene is a sound signature marked as owned by the BBC. So, it is still possible that no manual claim has been made by the BBC in relation to this clip at all.

[Owen Conway]

Aug 24, 2016 22:28:19 GMT seanrobbins said:

Aug 24, 2016 15:51:54 GMT steveb said:

I dont think an automated system could possibly have flagged a cartoon, even a cartoon of daleks, as bbc content!!!. The initial flagging must have been manual.

This isn't quite true. The automated system as I understand can pick up on certain signatures. The sound is very big and well developed one but there are others.

Once a video is tagged as against Youtube policy whether that is copyright or any other breach of policy, that same video can be found again based on a different signature. Like the binary signature much of which will match like a fingerprint even if the sound is removed an the video cut in half. This can be matched even if the file copied, the sound removed and the video is cut in half.

There does not need to be a check on the visual content.

I've seen it said that the 'Daleks conquer and destroy' scene is a sound signature marked as owned by the BBC. So, it is still possible that no manual claim has been made by the BBC in relation to this clip at all.

But manual intervention was required when the system is unsure if it is a match or not, hence Content ID forced someone at BBC Worldwide to watch my pigeon video. The video obviously contained BBC copyrighted material, and was blocked accordingly.

Additionally, Twitter doesn't have a Content ID system in place, yet the video was removed from there too. I read up about it, and discovered a manual claim has to be placed on the video (providing evidence of ownership) in order for it to be blocked. I've no idea how Vimeo works however the video was removed as a result of a claim by BBC Worldwide.

[Scot Ferre]

Copyright strikes imposed:

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[Rob Moss]

Let's not forget the soundtrack is BBC copyright, as is the design of the Daleks, so the BBC are perfectly within their rights to do this, before we jump to too many conclusions...

[Scot Ferre]

Aug 25, 2016 13:03:25 GMT Rob Moss said:

Let's not forget the soundtrack is BBC copyright, as is the design of the Daleks, so the BBC are perfectly within their rights to do this, before we jump to too many conclusions...

It's just the first time I've seen a strike for this clip.

[Rob Moss]

But it's not the first time it's been taken down, is it..?

I'm asking, not challenging, btw.

[Owen Conway]

Aug 25, 2016 13:03:25 GMT Rob Moss said:

Let's not forget the soundtrack is BBC copyright, as is the design of the Daleks, so the BBC are perfectly within their rights to do this, before we jump to too many conclusions...

Yes, the BBC are well within their rights to do this. BBC Worldwide are not. Power Re-imagined was claimed by the BBC (not Worldwide) for trademarks. BBC Worldwide deals in actual footage the BBC owns. If this were a issue of trademarks, it would've been claimed by the BBC. As it is, the re-upload was first taken down by BBC Worldwide, and later legally claimed as copyright by 'The British Broadcasting Corporation'

So it begs the question: why are other fan animations which use the BBC soundtrack and trademarks still available? BBC Worldwide have come down hard on this SPECIFIC animation on at least three sites.

...Why?

[George D]

We can create conspiracy theories in our mind or it could be simply the BBC trying to quell the disturbance.

Time will tell if there is any animation in the future.

I don't see any smoking gun as this could be anything. .

[Owen Conway]

Aug 25, 2016 15:13:33 GMT George D said:

We can create conspiracy theories in our mind or it could be simply the BBC trying to quell the disturbance.

Time will tell if there is any animation in the future.

I don't see any smoking gun as this could be anything. .

By removing it, they're creating even more of a disturbance. If it was just another fan animation, why didn't they just leave it be?

[George D]

We could guess why and let our imagination run wild.

The reality is we don't know, and hopefully time will tellml.

[Deleted]

Aug 25, 2016 17:00:10 GMT George D said:

We could guess why and let our imagination run wild.

The reality is we don't know, and hopefully time will tellml.

And hopefully by the time of Power's anniversary this year...

[Jaspal Cheema]

I really don't think this is some BBC sponsored clip that's been leaked for a potential POTD DVD release,even if only partially recovered.If the releases of WOF,EOTW and UM are anything to go by,the BBC will try to same money and give us bog-standard tele-snap footage with off-air soundtracks for the missing episodes.Sorry to be a party-pooper but that seems to be the way forward I'm afraid.Why the BBC took down this particular animation is anyone's guess.Objection by the estate of one of the characters?Most likely the estate of Terry Nation-you know how litigious they can be!

[Rob Moss]

Aug 25, 2016 14:35:15 GMT Owen Conway said:

Aug 25, 2016 13:03:25 GMT Rob Moss said:

Let's not forget the soundtrack is BBC copyright, as is the design of the Daleks, so the BBC are perfectly within their rights to do this, before we jump to too many conclusions...

Yes, the BBC are well within their rights to do this. BBC Worldwide are not. Power Re-imagined was claimed by the BBC (not Worldwide) for trademarks. BBC Worldwide deals in actual footage the BBC owns. If this were a issue of trademarks, it would've been claimed by the BBC. As it is, the re-upload was first taken down by BBC Worldwide, and later legally claimed as copyright by 'The British Broadcasting Corporation'

So it begs the question: why are other fan animations which use the BBC soundtrack and trademarks still available? BBC Worldwide have come down hard on this SPECIFIC animation on at least three sites.

...Why?

As BBC Worldwide released an audio version of Power of the Daleks, then yes, they are perfectly within their rights, as the animation clip uses their product without consent.

[Owen Conway]

Aug 26, 2016 11:40:35 GMT Rob Moss said:

Aug 25, 2016 14:35:15 GMT Owen Conway said:

Yes, the BBC are well within their rights to do this. BBC Worldwide are not. Power Re-imagined was claimed by the BBC (not Worldwide) for trademarks. BBC Worldwide deals in actual footage the BBC owns. If this were a issue of trademarks, it would've been claimed by the BBC. As it is, the re-upload was first taken down by BBC Worldwide, and later legally claimed as copyright by 'The British Broadcasting Corporation'

So it begs the question: why are other fan animations which use the BBC soundtrack and trademarks still available? BBC Worldwide have come down hard on this SPECIFIC animation on at least three sites.

...Why?

As BBC Worldwide released an audio version of Power of the Daleks, then yes, they are perfectly within their rights, as the animation clip uses their product without consent.

Hence my experiment.

[Simon Collis]

I've read a theory that this is a showreel by one of the animation houses to get some work for reanimating episodes, and that when they got the work, BBC Worldwide also purchased the rights to the showreel as part of the package - presumably just so they could cover situations like this?