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Post by John Green on Dec 27, 2015 18:00:56 GMT
Quick question or two:
We saw the negotiations for this in Don't Look Back,and audios are known to survive (or have I got that wrong? I have a feeling some have been released officially or otherwise) but/and I see in a recent Isis that there are rumours that some visual elements survive.
Sorry I can't give references at the moment,but I'd welcome input from others.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 17:42:48 GMT
I have a copy of the audio ... but sadly, the visuals on TV now exists in that special oblivion reserved for only the choicest of items that were wiped and shouldn't have been.
Very interested to hear that some visuals survive. I've seen the odd photo but nothing else.
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Post by John Green on Dec 28, 2015 21:21:33 GMT
At the risk of re-circulating false rumours-
Isis issue 181 p.18 'Rumours of uncirculating 1965 recordings'.After a spot of "wishful thinking" about remote possibilities,Zac Dadic says "I understand that in 2001,a Dylan collector acquired a small portion of the BBC footage-brief clips of 'Boots' and 'Don't Think Twice'.The...rumour is that these clips were provided...to tempt him to purchase a more complete version".
Not a lot of detail...They note that photos of this performance were published in issue 38 of Telegraph.
It's always possible,of course.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 22:45:47 GMT
It's ludicrous to me that Dylan's management didn't get themselves a telerecording of this at the time; just as it is ridiculous that the managements for the Beatles and Rolling Stones didn't do the same. But then ... some people, even those in charge of supposedly important stuff, are unbelievably stupid.
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Post by John Green on Dec 29, 2015 0:13:48 GMT
It's ludicrous to me that Dylan's management didn't get themselves a telerecording of this at the time One of those "forlorn hopes" mentioned in the article. |
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Post by Stephen John Connett on Dec 30, 2015 15:57:10 GMT
It's ludicrous to me that Dylan's management didn't get themselves a telerecording of this at the time; just as it is ridiculous that the managements for the Beatles and Rolling Stones didn't do the same. But then ... some people, even those in charge of supposedly important stuff, are unbelievably stupid. Not surprising, but maybe the same happened to them as happened to Peter Cook And Dudley Moore who offered to buy copies of their shows and were refused |
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Post by markdixon on Aug 6, 2017 19:03:36 GMT
I was looking at the Getty Images website today and I was surprised to see that both parts of the 1965 Dylan BBC concert are listed on there. I think the most obvious explanation is that someone has inputted details from the filmographic records without realising that the BBC don’t hold any actual footage from these episodes. It’s also possible that the BBC TV archives have acquired their own copy of the complete audio of the concert and this has ended up being listed on the Getty Images site.
I’m sure there would have been lots of publicity if the rumoured existing footage had been returned to the BBC. Does anybody have any further information?
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Post by Sal Mohammed on Aug 7, 2017 0:05:51 GMT
It's ludicrous to me that Dylan's management didn't get themselves a telerecording of this at the time; just as it is ridiculous that the managements for the Beatles and Rolling Stones didn't do the same. But then ... some people, even those in charge of supposedly important stuff, are unbelievably stupid.
If artists and management knew back then that there was going to be a market in video and then DVD / Blu-rays twenty years later, I'm sure they'd make sure they had copies of appearances.
What's amazing is TV companies who thought music programmes had no value in being kept for future generations. |
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Post by markboulton on Aug 7, 2017 16:45:19 GMT
Like they did in Germany, France and... Pretty much everywhere except the UK.
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Post by markboulton on Aug 7, 2017 16:47:20 GMT
Oh, and somewhere there is a post of a newspaper article from c.1960 mentioning that the then MD of Associated Rediffusion was calling for TV companies to stockpile their VT even then for future use and was even describing multiplexed compressed transmission methods! Forward thinker or what! Of course, in the UK that marks you out as a loony.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Aug 7, 2017 17:05:28 GMT
Oh, and somewhere there is a post of a newspaper article from c.1960 mentioning that the then MD of Associated Rediffusion was calling for TV companies to stockpile their VT even then for future use and was even describing multiplexed compressed transmission methods! Forward thinker or what! Of course, in the UK that marks you out as a loony. He must have been the televisual equivalent of a 20th century Nostradamus...but why was it that the BBC with all their engineering and research savvy never thought that way? |
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Post by paul carney on Aug 7, 2017 21:35:41 GMT
Cost
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Post by markboulton on Aug 9, 2017 23:25:41 GMT
Cost? How come Germany, France, Italy etc. could afford to keep so much VT then?
Let's be frank, it was fear of the unions (the artistic ones, not the technical ones) and their members' agents' often stipulated contractual conditions to blame, not cost at all.
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Post by paul carney on Aug 10, 2017 3:31:05 GMT
This is an old arguement.I don't in any way condone the profligacy of the British tv companies in failing to save so much of their output in the 50s & 60s. However, it is well documented that TV execs at the time did not see VT as a viable archive medium. Their view was that it was expensive & the major advantage of having it was that it was reusable. I agree that other factors were also in place such as the actor's union placing restrictions on how often a programme could be repeated. It seems to me that there is also a cultural bias in archiving policy from that time.Classical plays seem quite well represented as opposed to other dramas.There is also a fair bit of jazz around as opposed to pop music.
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Post by Bob Savage (robstar) on Aug 10, 2017 8:11:29 GMT
Oh, and somewhere there is a post of a newspaper article from c.1960 mentioning that the then MD of Associated Rediffusion was calling for TV companies to stockpile their VT even then for future use and was even describing multiplexed compressed transmission methods! Forward thinker or what! Of course, in the UK that marks you out as a loony. Has anybody tracked down where he used to live? Might be worth checking that attic! |
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