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Post by George D on Sept 29, 2015 23:11:55 GMT
I'm wondering if he wanted to be paid and when he wasn't, did the deed. Its possible he knew what missing episode were, but didn't connect them to the cans on the shelf
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Post by markandresen on Sept 30, 2015 8:24:25 GMT
I'm wondering if he wanted to be paid and when he wasn't, did the deed. Its possible he knew what missing episode were, but didn't connect them to the cans on the shelf Good point, George. Unless we know the place was, for example, hit by a military shell, it burning down does seem rather final and convenient.
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Post by markmartin on Sept 30, 2015 13:34:40 GMT
Of course, if I thought that a worker at the TV station had filched one of the cans and was still hoping to persuade him to hand it over "as late as a few months ago" (to quote Paul V), then when the announcement was made (almost two years ago) I wouldn't have told anyone where the TV station was. You wouldn't want people ringing up, either panicking the thief or offerig him money.
To put it another way, I doubt Jos is where the material was found. In which case, why should it even be Nigeria? I'm not complaining about this - it would be foolish if you know (or even suspect) there's more material out there to tell everyone where you found it.
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Post by John Green on Sept 30, 2015 14:31:37 GMT
If all the cans had gone walkies,PM would have been in the awkward position of being able to say "We almost had two Troughtons completed-but missed them by THIS MUCH".And how many people would have been inclined to believe him,I wonder? I mean,when was the last time that anyone had last found so many at once?
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Post by andyeves on Sept 30, 2015 15:29:20 GMT
Having listened to Phil's audio and having read Paul’s post, this is my take on WOF3 ... It seems fairly certain that the station manager is indeed behind its disappearance. If he is aware that it has a monetary value (which presumably he is, judging from his use of the term “missing episodes”), it seems unlikely he’d destroy it. Even if his sole aim became to cover his crime after being busted by Phil, it does seem more likely that he’d simply return it to the station, rather than destroy it and for the building to mysteriously burn down 2 days later. So IMHO, the two most likely scenarios are that he either still has it and hopes to one day cash in, or has already sold it on. Sounds like Phil hasn't entirely given up as he is actively checking couriers in the hope of discovering the identity of the recipient. I’d guess that Phil stopped short of offering financial inducements, so maybe this is what is now required for the manager to reveal its fate. Re Phil's ongoing search, he is rightly taking a clandestine approach which includes not revealing which episodes he may already have discovered, something he feels is necessary to maximise the likelihood of further returns. So we need to be patient and realise that the longer he keeps us waiting then the more thorough and widespread is his exploration ... and from the details provided on the audio, it does indeed sound like he is leaving no stone unturned. So keep up the fantastic work, Phil! My gut feel from the audio is that he has already discovered further episodes and a moderate number, albeit no complete stories and a LONG way off the full 97. I'm prepared to wait until he has fully completed his search though.
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Post by John Green on Sept 30, 2015 15:51:12 GMT
In theory,episode 3 could have been copied and returned to the archive/storeroom in the half-a-year (half-a-year!) in which negotiations were going on over returning the BBC's property,as the station was required to do.In practice,the film's condition might have made that difficult.
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Post by Shane Anderson on Sept 30, 2015 23:31:26 GMT
I'm encouraged to know that Web of Fear 3 does exist. We may well get to see it someday.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 1, 2015 0:50:32 GMT
I'm doubtful about hoarders, alhough there may be. Many of the episodes that have been recovered have come from people who didn't know that they had something important. I don't think that logic works - The very nature of the hoarders concept is that they horde it!
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Post by George D on Oct 1, 2015 3:37:31 GMT
I'm encouraged to know that Web of Fear 3 does exist. We may well get to see it someday. All we know is that it existed two years ago. It could have been damaged, deliberately destroyed, or destroyed in the fire. Hopefully it still exists and will surface
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Post by John Green on Oct 1, 2015 8:28:12 GMT
I'm encouraged to know that Web of Fear 3 does exist. We may well get to see it someday. All we know is that it existed two years ago. It could have been damaged, deliberately destroyed, or destroyed in the fire. Hopefully it still exists and will surface That's right; we could do with the thread-title changed to a question...
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Post by John Wall on Oct 1, 2015 18:19:06 GMT
That PM has put a lot of effort over into the search over the past couple of years must mean that he believes it wasn't destroyed.
It's ironic that although those who saw it in the 60s said it wasn't one of the best of the story - most six parters sag a bit in the middle - I suspect that if it was up for sale it would make a tidy sum. A missing episode that would complete a Season 5 classic and the first appearance, albeit low key, of Lethbridge Stewart.
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Post by Hugh Pearson on Oct 2, 2015 0:21:01 GMT
Vacationing in the UK, I was able to attend Pandorica and chat with Phil too. Yes, I found him to be very believable and completely understand the reasons that he cannot say anything specific. My strong sense from him was that there may be more. In meantime, grab yourself a copy of my second free eBook - The Lost Lords of Time: Recons - Volume Two and catch up on the history of the recons that we do have. homepages.bw.edu/~jcurtis/research.htm
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Post by George D on Oct 3, 2015 13:26:16 GMT
Phil never referred to the cans he had arranged to be sent back as 'missing episodes' to the people over there, but it was that precise phrasing the guy in the station used in an answer to Phil when he said he 'didn't know anything about these missing episodes'. While the phrase missing episodes has special meaning to us, I'm wondering if he simply meant episodes that were missing from phils order. I'm curious if phil actually rechecked the station in case it was there misfiled
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Post by John Andersen on Oct 3, 2015 20:11:11 GMT
Phil never referred to the cans he had arranged to be sent back as 'missing episodes' to the people over there, but it was that precise phrasing the guy in the station used in an answer to Phil when he said he 'didn't know anything about these missing episodes'. While the phrase missing episodes has special meaning to us, I'm wondering if he simply meant episodes that were missing from phils order. I'm curious if phil actually rechecked the station in case it was there misfiled Weren't the films kept together after they were found? Weren't they set aside to be sent back? Then the manager takes episode 3 and it is never seen again. This looks too suspicious for this to be an honest mistake.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Oct 3, 2015 20:15:20 GMT
While the phrase missing episodes has special meaning to us, I'm wondering if he simply meant episodes that were missing from phils order. I'm curious if phil actually rechecked the station in case it was there misfiled It's precisely the use of and the way the words were used which made it obvious he knew exactly what 'missing episodes' actually are. Possibly he knew from reading this very forum by doing a simple google search. As for your final comment, Philip isn't someone that leaves loose ends. Paul
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