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Post by Richard Collins on Jul 14, 2015 7:15:37 GMT
Which FA Cup Finals exist in full in the archives?
How many different archives would these be?
And what about those old "Official Film of the FA Cup Final" shows where 80% of it has little to do with the actual game?
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Post by andyc on Jul 14, 2015 13:43:56 GMT
Excellent idea for a thread, I've actually been watching a lot of the 60s/70s finals recently on YouTube.
I believe the ITV transmission of the 1970 replay doesn't exist anymore, because many years later Brian Moore recorded another commentary for it based on the BBC transmission.
Off the top of my head, I think every FA Cup final exists in full from around 1964 onwards. Before that it's a bit spotty (1957 and 1962 exist in full I believe)
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Post by Stephen Neve on Jul 14, 2015 14:54:05 GMT
Excellent idea for a thread, I've actually been watching a lot of the 60s/70s finals recently on YouTube. I believe the ITV transmission of the 1970 replay doesn't exist anymore, because many years later Brian Moore recorded another commentary for it based on the BBC transmission. Off the top of my head, I think every FA Cup final exists in full from around 1964 onwards. Before that it's a bit spotty (1957 and 1962 exist in full I believe) The stanley Mathews Blackpool 1953 FA Cup final exists and IS available on DVD, that's the earliest i can find though as you can get nearly every final from 1953 onwards on DVD. However cannot find 1956 on DVD so perhaps that is missing. |
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Post by paul carney on Jul 14, 2015 19:39:07 GMT
BBC highlights of the 1956 Final exist on Youtube.
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Post by Patrick Coles on Jul 15, 2015 9:35:36 GMT
Some earlier finals exist too
There are ILC Sport DVDs of:
1960 Wolves v Blackburn Rovers (3-0)
1961 Spurs v Leicester City (2-0)
1962 Spurs v Burnley (3-1)
1963 Man United v Leicester City (3-1)
then most if not all F.A.Cup Finals from 1964 onwards, I have 1964, 65, 66, 67 (the second half of Spurs v Chelsea is quite edited),& Chelsea v Leeds (1970), Arsenal v Liverpool (1971)
and Ipswich v Arsenal (1978 - which I found recently in a charity shop for 50 pence !)
There is also:
1965 West Ham - 2 TSV Munich - 0 (European Cup Winners Cup Final - at Wembley - BBC TV with commentary by Ken Wolstenholme)
1968 Man United - 4 Benfica - 1 (European Cup Final at Wembley - tho' extra time footage is very edited !)
also I have a couple of DVDs of matches that are not of TV standard:
1963 England - 2 Rest of The World - 1 (F.A.Centenary Match at Wembley) - BBC TV footage commentry by Kenneth Wolstenholme
1969 England - 4 Scotland - 1 at Wembley - BBC TV footage with commentary by David Coleman with 'expert' comments by Brian Clough and Jock Stein ( the second half is a bit of a 'jumpy' picture for about the first 15 minutes)
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 15, 2015 9:45:45 GMT
1976 featuring the Mighty Saints triumphing, is of course available on DVD....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1954, 57, 58 and 59 exist on youtube.
Back to the other stuff....not all the League Cup Finals and Charity Shields exist prior to the 1980's.
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Post by Patrick Coles on Jul 15, 2015 9:50:53 GMT
I remember that Final Ray - Man United were 'all over' Southampton who once broke away and got a late goal scored by Bobby Stokes who came from Portsmouth....yes ? (LOL)
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 15, 2015 9:58:20 GMT
I remember that Final Ray - Man United were 'all over' Southampton who once broke away and got a late goal scored by Bobby Stokes who came from Portsmouth....yes ? (LOL) They weren't all over us. We were fairly even in the second half. And of course we won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by andyc on Jul 15, 2015 15:00:56 GMT
Just before the 1974 final kicked off, there was an appearance on the pitch by Bruce Forsyth (some of this still exists on YouTube), however I am sure that there is also a race around the Wembley pitch won by Brendan Foster. Or am I imagining this?
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Post by Jeff Lewis on Jul 15, 2015 21:55:05 GMT
The key missing FA Cup Final's are
1956 Manchester City v Birmingham City - I suspect the BBC recorded in ten minutes segments which overlapped slightly and one of these is missing leaving a gap that can't be covered by the overlap.
1967 Chelsea v Spurs - ATV London were only broadcasters. The BBC probably thought there would be no interest outside London so just recorded highlights for Match of the Day but even that is missing the beginning of the second half. This footage was used as the official DVD release so there as to be a question mark hanging over ATV London's broadcast (See also the 1968 League Cup Final). I think it's safe to assume(due to the no DVD releases)that most of ITV's coverage from the fifties and sixties maybe lost. However a brief portion of the 1969 Leicester v Manchester City (broadcast in Black and White) is available somewhere on Youtube.
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Post by Patrick Coles on Jul 16, 2015 18:57:40 GMT
I know you are wrong re the 1967 F.A.Cup final as I recall I ALWAYS watched the final on BBC (who screened the final live each year back in those days)- and I recall that Spurs v Chelsea (2-1) game very well, and that just as BBC commentator Kenneth Wolstenholme (once again - was he psychic ?) with the score at 2-0 to Spurs said;
"it's not a road Chelsea need to climb now it's a pyramid...they need two goals in the last four minutes...THERE'S ONE OF 'EM !"
(just as Ken began saying that Bobby Tambling duly headed over Pat Jennings into Spurs net to pull one back for Chelsea late on...)
I can recall that happening LIVE not on 'Match of The Day' later on (tho' I watched that too) so BBC must have filmed it live too...
Hey Ray, I WAS only joking mate !
...tho' I recall for the first ten minutes Saints couldn't get out of their own penalty area ! (LOL)
- I'm from the South too & I was glad to see a Southern team win it for a pleasant change !
(Man United won it the following year anyway)
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Post by briancook on Jul 16, 2015 20:37:08 GMT
I'm sure I asked a similar question some years ago, my question stems from the fact that my lot won the cup in 1946 and it was broadcast on tv & filmed by pathe and did exist complete (pathe) for some years hence. It would be interesting to know what is the earliest complete final that is in existance
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Post by Jeff Lewis on Jul 16, 2015 21:03:05 GMT
I know you are wrong re the 1967 F.A.Cup final as I recall I ALWAYS watched the final on BBC (who screened the final live each year back in those days)- and I recall that Spurs v Chelsea (2-1) game very well, and that just as BBC commentator Kenneth Wolstenholme (once again - was he psychic ?) with the score at 2-0 to Spurs said; "it's not a road Chelsea need to climb now it's a pyramid...they need two goals in the last four minutes...THERE'S ONE OF 'EM !" (just as Ken began saying that Bobby Tambling duly headed over Pat Jennings into Spurs net to pull one back for Chelsea late on...) I can recall that happening LIVE not on 'Match of The Day' later on (tho' I watched that too) so BBC must have filmed it live too... Hey Ray, I WAS only joking mate ! ...tho' I recall for the first ten minutes Saints couldn't get out of their own penalty area ! (LOL) - I'm from the South too & I was glad to see a Southern team win it for a pleasant change ! (Man United won it the following year anyway) I trust the research done by this site and it's hard to believe the hatchet job that was released on DVD would happened in the BBC screened the game live. homepage.ntlworld.com/carousel/ITV/cupfinals_bw.html |
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Post by Patrick Coles on Jul 17, 2015 11:24:14 GMT
I clearly remember watching that game live on BBC one that saturday afternoon with Kenneth Wolstenhome doing the commentary - I NEVER watched any F.A. Cup Final on ITV in the sixties
BBC never missed screening a F.A. Cup Final live in the sixties - it was one of the very few 'Live' matches you got on TV in those days
After the game BBC interviewed a few Spurs players - Jimmy Greaves, Dave Mackay & Terry Venables I recall in their 'muddy' all white shirts
during the lap of honour a 'fan' in a suit got in with the Spurs team & Ken Wolstenhome thought he was Spurs player Eddie Clayton (it wasn't )
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Post by Peter Prentice on Jul 17, 2015 14:30:57 GMT
I clearly remember watching that game live on BBC one that saturday afternoon with Kenneth Wolstenhome doing the commentary - I NEVER watched any F.A. Cup Final on ITV in the sixties BBC never missed screening a F.A. Cup Final live in the sixties - it was one of the very few 'Live' matches you got on TV in those days After the game BBC interviewed a few Spurs players - Jimmy Greaves, Dave Mackay & Terry Venables I recall in their 'muddy' all white shirts during the lap of honour a 'fan' in a suit got in with the Spurs team & Ken Wolstenhome thought he was Spurs player Eddie Clayton (it wasn't ) |
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