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Post by John Green on Jul 6, 2015 0:41:03 GMT
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Post by Alex Weidmann on Jul 6, 2015 4:23:37 GMT
The episode from Series 8 (TX 22.11.72 Welcome To The Club) may be a suitable candidate for Colour Recovery.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 6, 2015 6:32:42 GMT
What do you mean by "our web page"' George?
lostshows.com, which draws from the main Kaleidoscope database indicates that 86 out of 269 episodes exist.
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Post by John Green on Jul 6, 2015 9:11:28 GMT
What do you mean by "our web page"' George? lostshows.com, which draws from the main Kaleidoscope database indicates that 86 out of 269 episodes exist. Lostshows says: Out of an original total of 269 episodes,86 episodes are missing and another exits on a format inferior to the original. Factor in Recovery,and it's 84 out of 269 missing i.e. 185 are known to survive.
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Post by Pete Morris on Jul 6, 2015 14:40:21 GMT
What do you mean by "our web page"' George? lostshows.com, which draws from the main Kaleidoscope database indicates that 86 out of 269 episodes exist. I guess he means this page, which only lists the missing episodes. www.thiswaydown.org/missing-episodes/softly.htmThe note "NB missing episodes only" is written in very small letters. Most of the episode guides list both missing and extant episodes, so if someone doesn't read closely, he might think no episodes exist. Also, you mean 86 episodes missing.
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Post by George D on Jul 6, 2015 15:23:39 GMT
Yes. Not being familiar with the series, I thought that was a Complete episode list with everything labeled as missing.
Glad so much exists and hopefully there is enough for a DVD release of softly
I find it great that even to this day, film prints of 60s TV shows are still showing up
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Post by John Green on Jul 6, 2015 15:31:16 GMT
Yes. Not being familiar with the series, I thought that was a Complete episode list with everything labeled as missing. Glad so much exists and hopefully there is enough for a DVD release of softly I find it great that even to this day, film prints of 60s TV shows are still showing up If it's any consolation,I think I originally called this thread "Z Cars episode found"!
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Post by RWels on Jul 6, 2015 20:53:56 GMT
Yes. That is allowed and in fact has happened with Doctor Who (The Lion). Paul The BBC did try and score a spetacular own goal though by threatening to sue Bruce Grenville if he sold the Lion film on. See, that's the kind of thing that would've been incredibly counterproductive, if it had really happened. I still assume that if someone makes a copy with the purpose to return a missing episode, that the BBC/other won't return the favour by taking them to court. I'd be quite, quite disappointed if they did. (And then I should probably worry for some of my friends: I once helped return audio-only from Australia, and it was impractical to send the tape reels, so their owner sent copies to the BBC (Paul probably even knows the one I mean).)
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jul 7, 2015 11:01:02 GMT
I once helped return audio-only from Australia, and it was impractical to send the tape reels, so their owner sent copies to the BBC (Paul probably even knows the one I mean).) I am perhaps generalising. However, the previous situation regarding being able to make copies of copyright material for personal use only applies to material which has already been published,that published copy bought and paid for, for which the licensee has benefited, and where the purchaser retains the original and doesn't sell it on. These 16mm films were never intended to be distributed to the public and despite what people think, are still technically owned by the BBC. Now, we can get into all sorts of arguments about why I'm wrong or right, but many of the prints out there are there because they were taken home by BBC employees and given to their pals. It's in every BBC employees contract of employment that when they leave the Corporation, they must return all Corporation property they have removed from the premises of the BBC. Then of course, the sales prints. They should have been returned to the BBC or destroyed under strict terms of sale/broadcast/distribution. The BBC doesn't enforce their strict rights under the original contract because it wants to encourage people to return or loan films back to them so that it can maintain a cultural archive of its output. These are, after all, third parties to the original contract. So, since the 1980's, whenever a film has turned up with a collector, the BBC has simply borrowed it, copied it and returned it to the collector. The situation with 'The Lion' was never a dispute about ownership, but the BBC wanting to make it clear (as the film was going into an international and well publicised auction), that it still owned the underlying rights in the content. It could have, but did not exercise its rights over the physical print despite the fact that it is one of the clearest examples of a film which should have been returned to it or destroyed. The legal situation in NZ and the possibility of a legal challenge by the owner of any film, contrasted with the dubious benefit to the BBC of owning the physical film would mean there would be little chance of any dispute going to court. Making a copy for a copyright holder is of course allowed, but as I said before, this still needs the permission of the copyright holder and if I were doing it, I'd get it in writing. I've returned 16mm films to the BBC in the past. In the first instance, the BBC made a new neg and print and sent the film back to me. I've since given them the original, which they didn't want when I first returned it to them. Latterly, films I've purchased with my own cash, I've given back to the BBC and asked for nothing in return. I didn't particularly want a copy even though I was offered one. In fact, I've just acquired another set of films which will be going to the BBC at my own cost. Others aren't so generous. Some others have more money than sense. Paul
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Post by RWels on Jul 7, 2015 13:24:52 GMT
Well, that all makes sense to me. In any case it'd be madness to go "Hey wait a minute, that film should have been destroyed!" about Lion or Masterplan.
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Jul 13, 2015 18:40:34 GMT
Looks like someone wasted £770........ I would like to think that anyone prepared to pay that sort of money is prepared to pay it because they really do want to own the film. The person that has bought it has proved he bought it not for the pleasure in viewing it, or the dubious glory of returning it to the BBC, but to profit from his brief ownership. Yes, it has backfired on him on this occasion. Except he may now take pleasure in owning it for a bit longer. Or he may wish to cut his losses and relist it at a realistic price which reflects what it is. Paul After 10 days and no bids on his "only known print to exist in the world" he has relisted it for another 10 days... still at £2000. How long will it be before he reduces the price, I wonder...
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Post by George D on Jul 13, 2015 21:38:36 GMT
I guess he Will have his fun. Hope it comes through for Paul.
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Post by Pete Morris on Jul 17, 2015 21:10:56 GMT
After 10 days and no bids on his "only known print to exist in the world" he has relisted it for another 10 days... still at £2000. How long will it be before he reduces the price, I wonder... He's reduced it to £1000. Still no bids, yet.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jul 17, 2015 22:51:36 GMT
Well if he has reduced it to 1000 Pounds Sterling he is obviously trying to "make some money" off his original purchase price. Still that is "a bit" high. Perhaps if he started the bidding at the actual price he paid for the film print he "might" get some interest in it
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Post by George D on Jul 18, 2015 13:22:58 GMT
An existing episode print is not worth the same as a miSsing episode. Let him put it up for 500.
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