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Post by David Saunders on Apr 21, 2015 10:17:29 GMT
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Post by richardmarson on Apr 21, 2015 10:21:23 GMT
Can't understand why the BBC are against these missing/rare programmes as they would surely be quite cheap to do. And when BBC4 showed the Big Hits 1964-1975 compilation it got one of their biggest audiences I think and has been repeated several times since, so there seems to be an audience demand for these kind of shows. They are not against them as such - just generaly indifferent! And, actually, though they may seem relatively cheap to make, they are, in fact, surprisingly expensive. There is the considerable expense of all the music clearances and payments to all the composers and artists.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Apr 21, 2015 11:54:27 GMT
If I recall correctly - It was a man of the cloth - A reverend who had recorded the Pans People clips although Ian Levine did donate a large number of tapes to Kal around the same time. Not as far as I know but I know he was entirely baffled by the assertion. "I hated Pan's People!" he barked at me, which made me laugh a lot - Ian is very definite about what he does and doesn't like, as most know! Yes, I believe the actual collector was a vicar (?!) who loved the girls and so stacked up this invaluable archive of their work. As for Mark Cooper, the head of Music, I could tell a long and involvced story about the skullduggery and political shenanigans surrounding the screening of John Henshall's Jean Genie recording but it's probably best that I don't! I know quite a bit about what went on. I was the middle man between John Henshall and Mark Cooper who got them talking in the first place! I think John tells the story best, should you meet him, do ask him!
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Post by richardmarson on Apr 21, 2015 15:04:52 GMT
Not as far as I know but I know he was entirely baffled by the assertion. "I hated Pan's People!" he barked at me, which made me laugh a lot - Ian is very definite about what he does and doesn't like, as most know! Yes, I believe the actual collector was a vicar (?!) who loved the girls and so stacked up this invaluable archive of their work. As for Mark Cooper, the head of Music, I could tell a long and involvced story about the skullduggery and political shenanigans surrounding the screening of John Henshall's Jean Genie recording but it's probably best that I don't! I know quite a bit about what went on. I was the middle man between John Henshall and Mark Cooper who got them talking in the first place! I think John tells the story best, should you meet him, do ask him! Er...Ray, I don't need to; I was deeply involved at the time as I was producing Tales of Television Centre. We actually contacted John before Mark had any idea bout the clip and paid to have the 2" tape transferred. As well as the clip we were planning to use, with the relevant section of John's interview, we had arranged with BBC4 to screen the whole performance without astons and in the correct aspect ratio. However, when Mark learnt of the clip and its newsorthiness, let's just say the siuation became fraught and extremely political. It was all complex and fairly unpleasant. However, I'm happy to say that the doc wasn't in any way damaged by the loss of the story but it is a pity that the clip hasn't been presented (as far as I know) uncluttered with captions and in its correct format. There are also two takes on the tape.
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Post by Martin Kinsella on Apr 21, 2015 18:29:14 GMT
The lost Pan's People clips were not sourced from Ian Levine's collection at all. He is baffled as to why Kaleidescope allowed this falsehood to be perpetrated. It's my understanding that they actually came from another private collector who specifically recorded PP performances from 1973 onwards - and good thing too. But nothing to do with Ian. Ian is baffled given he is happily telling people he gave Kal the Pan's People routines as he confirmed on Planet Mondas. www.planetmondas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2903&start=42040Oh, and before you say it, it is Ian. Verified by his mate Mike Nuttall. There were 2 lots of Pans footage. One from Ian and one from the Vicar.
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Post by richardmarson on Apr 21, 2015 19:36:53 GMT
Ian's was a partially complete TOTP from 1976 with one PP performance.
The vast majority - from the groovy vicar - predate Ian even owning a VCR
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Post by Martin Kinsella on Apr 21, 2015 20:07:19 GMT
Ian's was a partially complete TOTP from 1976 with one PP performance. The vast majority - from the groovy vicar - predate Ian even owning a VCR I have material in my VHS collection that pre date me owning a VCR.
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Post by richardmarson on Apr 21, 2015 20:20:21 GMT
Good for you - hope you're holding onto anything interesting!
As for PP, thank heavens for the vicar - and for Ian too, come to that. For those of us that love the girls and their groovy routines, it's been wonderful to see all these performances again. If only they could be showcased to the wider world in some way.
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Post by John Green on Apr 21, 2015 20:21:09 GMT
Ian's was a partially complete TOTP from 1976 with one PP performance. The vast majority - from the groovy vicar - predate Ian even owning a VCR Has he-or she-chosen anonymity with regard to this donation? I admit it's fun,and I was about to add a jest myself,but I wouldn't like to dissuade any future donors.
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Post by richardmarson on Apr 21, 2015 20:31:19 GMT
I'm not sure - I've just checked my correspondence about it and this doesn't indicate anonymity was an issue but it does confirm a lot of the details I'd forgotten.
Anyway, it's quite a treasure trove. A real pity Flick Colby didn't live to see it.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Apr 22, 2015 9:18:30 GMT
Ian's was a partially complete TOTP from 1976 with one PP performance. The vast majority - from the groovy vicar - predate Ian even owning a VCR Has he-or she-chosen anonymity with regard to this donation? I admit it's fun,and I was about to add a jest myself,but I wouldn't like to dissuade any future donors. Let's put the record straight. For one of the rare occasions ever, John is wrong! Sorry, John. This is a rarity. :/ The vicar donations are one set of routines. Ian Levine had another which was on a U Matic he thought was blank and would have wiped if he'd have known it was Pan's People on it (to explain how he got it, he bought a job lot of """blank""" tapes from the BBC. In addition, he had a copy of TOTP 19/02/76 (partial), which he had because two of his acts were on it. It was a partial edition, because he'd taped over the first bit of it with a bit of an edition of Saturday Scene.
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Post by John Green on Apr 22, 2015 9:48:47 GMT
I always try to learn from my mistakes,and I think that both times I've been successful...
(Hee hee).
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Post by Richard Marple on Apr 22, 2015 12:12:50 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if there was a "tape trading" scene in the 1970s, with some people making copies of other's early off-air recordings or "back doored" master copies.
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Post by Kev Hunter on Apr 22, 2015 14:59:46 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if there was a "tape trading" scene in the 1970s, with some people making copies of other's early off-air recordings or "back doored" master copies. Slightly o/t but had to comment on the above: in 1984 or thereabouts, just after I'd bought my first video recorder (a Blaupunkt top-loader with plug-in corded remote control!) I acquired a compilation E-180 tape at a London record fair which contained vintage pop performances from various TV shows. Now these must have originated from some aforementioned 'back doored' clips, as this was a long time before most of the tracks were subsequently aired on shows such as the The Best Of Beat Club in the mid-late 80s or the BBC's Sounds Of The Sixties in the early 90s. The three-hour tape included Status Quo's "Pictures Of Matchstick Men", the Move "Fire Brigade" (both from TOTP), Deep Purple "Hallelujah", Bee Gees "World" (both from Beat Club) and many similar clips. However, for me the two main items of interest were Slade in their skinhead phase performing "Wild Winds A-Blowing" and "Martha My Dear" (wrongly listed on the accompanying A4 insert as "Look Wot You Dun" - no doubt having been guessed at by someone who was unfamiliar with the song but who had caught part of the lyric) which I don't think had been re-broadcast since the original airing until Slade At The BBC a few years back. The quality of the tape as a whole wasn't pristine by any means - it was probably a third or second generation copy - but to me it was a revelation to see all this retro stuff. By contrast, at the same fair, a friend of mine bought an 'unofficial' VHS compilation of Bowie's TV performances and promo videos, none of which were particularly unfamiliar even in those days. However the quality of that tape was so rough that while watching the video for "Peace On Earth/Little Drummer Boy" it was nigh on impossible to distinguish which one was Bing and which was Bowie!
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Post by stuartg on Apr 23, 2015 7:46:22 GMT
Excuse my ignorance...when kaleidoscope show the rare items at the meetings are these online anywhere for people to see who were unable to get to the meetings? And who are Kaleidoscope?
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