Border TV Archive

[ashleywood]

Wasn't sure about bringing back a 3 year old thread so...
Anybody here know what the status of the Border TV Archive is ? They seem to have a dedicated website (separate from ITNsource) but it's basically a dead end. I've registered but the capcha does not work for sending email enquiries or clip purchases and i've been going round in circles.
This appears to be a longstanding problem. I emailed a few times a year or two ago and got no response.
Anyone know more than i do on this subject ? I'm trying to find out about a particular Beat In The Border episode.
Is there an archivist who can be contacted ?

[Ray Langstone (was saintsray)]

Mar 25, 2015 14:28:14 GMT ashleywood said:

Wasn't sure about bringing back a 3 year old thread so...
Anybody here know what the status of the Border TV Archive is ? They seem to have a dedicated website (separate from ITNsource) but it's basically a dead end. I've registered but the capcha does not work for sending email enquiries or clip purchases and i've been going round in circles.
This appears to be a longstanding problem. I emailed a few times a year or two ago and got no response.
Anyone know more than i do on this subject ? I'm trying to find out about a particular Beat In The Border episode.
Is there an archivist who can be contacted ?

ITN Source have much of the archive, try that as your first port of call.

You could look at BFI lists, and regional archives too....

Which episode is it?

[Ray Langstone (was saintsray)]

Mar 25, 2015 14:40:22 GMT Ray Langstone (was saintsray) said:

Mar 25, 2015 14:28:14 GMT ashleywood said:

Wasn't sure about bringing back a 3 year old thread so...
Anybody here know what the status of the Border TV Archive is ? They seem to have a dedicated website (separate from ITNsource) but it's basically a dead end. I've registered but the capcha does not work for sending email enquiries or clip purchases and i've been going round in circles.
This appears to be a longstanding problem. I emailed a few times a year or two ago and got no response.
Anyone know more than i do on this subject ? I'm trying to find out about a particular Beat In The Border episode.
Is there an archivist who can be contacted ?

ITN Source have much of the archive, try that as your first port of call.

You could look at BFI lists, and regional archives too....

Which episode is it?

""Missing or incomplete episodes for programme BEAT IN THE BORDER.
31.01.62 Episode 1 (missing)
Series 107.03.62 Episode 1 (missing)
14.03.62 Episode 2 (missing)
21.03.62 Episode 3 (missing)
28.03.62 Episode 4 (missing)
04.04.62 Episode 5 (missing)
11.04.62 Episode 6 (missing)
18.04.62 Episode 7 (missing)
25.04.62 Episode 8 (missing)
02.05.62 Episode 9 (missing)
09.05.62 Episode 10 (missing)
16.05.62 Episode 11 (missing)
23.05.62 Episode 12 (missing)
30.05.62 Episode 13 (missing)
Series 219.09.62 Episode 1 (missing)
26.09.62 Episode 2 (missing)
03.10.62 Episode 3 (missing)
10.10.62 Episode 4 (missing)
17.10.62 Episode 5 (missing)
24.10.62 Episode 6 (missing)
31.10.62 Episode 7 (missing)
07.11.62 Episode 8 (missing)
14.11.62 Episode 9 (missing)
21.11.62 Episode 10 (missing)
28.11.62 Episode 11 (missing)
05.12.62 Episode 12 (missing)
12.12.62 Episode 13 (missing)
19.12.62 Episode 14 (missing)
02.01.63 Episode 15 (missing)
09.01.63 Episode 16 (missing)
16.01.63 Episode 17 (missing)
23.01.63 Episode 18 (missing)
30.01.63 Episode 19 (missing)
Series 318.09.63 Episode 1 (missing)
25.09.63 Episode 2 (missing)
02.10.63 Episode 3 (missing)
09.10.63 Episode 4 (missing)
16.10.63 Episode 5 (missing)
23.10.63 Episode 6 (missing)
30.10.63 Episode 7 (missing)
06.11.63 Episode 8 (missing)
13.11.63 Episode 9 (missing)
20.11.63 Episode 10 (missing)
27.11.63 Episode 11 (missing)
04.12.63 Episode 12 (missing)
11.12.63 Episode 13 (missing)
--.--.-- Insert Sequences, Unknown Tx Dates
One or more sequences exist, but the complete programme is lost.


Out of an original total of 47 episodes, 46 episodes are missing and a further episode is incomplete.""

(that's what officially exists. I think inserts from a couple of episodes do, actually).

Here's one:- www.youtube.com/watch?v=exSVa6jljNg

[ashleywood]

Thanks Ray. I want to know which episode Johnny Kidd and The Pirates appeared on. Unless i missed it, no mention in NME,Disc,Record Mirror or Melody Maker. As there were a few clips up at the Border website i wanted to ask if they thought they might have more episodes as yet uncatalogued and if they had any information about Kidd's appearance.
I've been researching Kidd for a long time ("found" that footage a year or so ago) but i haven't given up hope of some more Kidd film being out there. Legend has it that the band performed several numbers live on one episode possibly shortly after the release of the Shot Of Rhythm and Blues/I Can Tell single but i have to admit that much of the info in books/magazines etc. has turned out to be provably inaccurate. I'm chasing this one up for the nth time just in case.
By the way, i don't have access to my notes but somewhere i do have a (very) partial list for Beat In The Border. Can't access it right now but i think the series did continue in 1964 (but i could be wrong !).

[Ray Langstone (was saintsray)]

Mar 25, 2015 14:55:45 GMT ashleywood said:

Thanks Ray. I want to know which episode Johnny Kidd and The Pirates appeared on. Unless i missed it, no mention in NME,Disc,Record Mirror or Melody Maker. As there were a few clips up at the Border website i wanted to ask if they thought they might have more episodes as yet uncatalogued and if they had any information about Kidd's appearance.
I've been researching Kidd for a long time ("found" that footage a year or so ago) but i haven't given up hope of some more Kidd film being out there. Legend has it that the band performed several numbers live on one episode possibly shortly after the release of the Shot Of Rhythm and Blues/I Can Tell single but i have to admit that much of the info in books/magazines etc. has turned out to be provably inaccurate. I'm chasing this one up for the nth time just in case.
By the way, i don't have access to my notes but somewhere i do have a (very) partial list for Beat In The Border. Can't access it right now but i think the series did continue in 1964 (but i could be wrong !).

I'm wondering if it was around the time JK and the P's played Egremont.

[ashleywood]

I'm sure it must be there or Carlisle or somewhere in that general region. Unfortunately, Kidd's performances are very under-reported in the music press and he tended to be booked on one night stands rather than as part of tours in comparison to Fury, Cliff, Wilde etc...
Keith Hunt's book (while excellent) is somewhat in need of fact/date checking though i hasten to add that that wasn't as easy at the time the book was written. He did a tremendous job.
I think it's gonna be a long haul read through local papers on and around the dates in question to make a suitable guesstimate.
Tony Rees Pop/TV Diaries have a date of 31 Dec 1962 for this show but as my independent research and your contribution note there was no show that day.
Of course it could have been recorded that day Hmmmm. Footage of the Mick Green line-up would be the dream (as long as it's not Always and Ever but at this stage i'd take anything). Of course episodes of Wham! (1960) gratefully accepted too.
thanks Ray.

[Ken Griffin]

Mar 25, 2015 14:28:14 GMT ashleywood said:

Anybody here know what the status of the Border TV Archive is ?

It's a messy one. It was split in two - local stuff went to the University of Cumbria and commercially valuable and uncatalogued stuff stayed with ITV. The problem is that after an initial burst of activity, Cumbria went quiet and nobody has been able to access their holdings subsequently.

[Ken Griffin]

PM sent.

[Alan Turrell]

All found by Simonmoreby .

re: the above thread in the General section, besides the clip that Ray has added/posted to the thread, the following 3 other clips are held in the ITV Border
archive, which all come from currently listed ME that Ray has listed as on Lostshows.com..


ITV Border archive..

ItvBorder 10/10/62 John Alford of 'The Allisons' interviewed on Beat In The Border 10/10/62..

www.itvborderarchive.co.uk/clip/john-alford-allisons

www.itvborderarchive.co.uk/clip/...beat-border-10101962

Lostshows says Series 2 Episode 4 10/10/62 Missing

Jimmy Justice Interviewed on Beat In The Border

www.itvborderarchive.co.uk/clip/...beat-border-211162

Lostshows says Series 2 Episode 10 21/11/62 Missing

Beatlemania Hits Carlisle 20/11/63 ITV Border Archive

www.itvborderarchive.co.uk/clip/beatlemania-hits...201163

Lostshows says Series 3 Episode 10 20/11/63 Missing


there is another here as well..

Cumbria -Video Footage/ITV Border Archive

www.itvborderarchive.co.uk/category/video-tags/cumbria


THE TORNADOES AND PETER JAY INTERVIEWED ON BEAT IN THE BORDER 21/11/62

as per Ray's posting...Lostshows.com says Series 2 Episode 10 21/11/62 Missing

[Alan Turrell]

And another one from Simon .


Cumbria -Video Footage/ITV Border Archive

www.itvborderarchive.co.uk/category/video-tags/cumbria


THE TORNADOES AND PETER JAY INTERVIEWED ON BEAT IN THE BORDER 21/11/62

as per Ray's posting...Lostshows.com says Series 2 Episode 10 21/11/62 Missing

Well Done Simon.