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Post by Matt Gromala on Dec 31, 2014 2:13:07 GMT
I've picked up a few American radio transcription discs, but stupidly did not even see if they would fit on my current player before purchasing. They won't. I was wondering if there are consumer model systems out there I can buy to play these on and costs. Thank you for taking the time to read this, and I apologize for being off-topic.
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Post by johnm on Dec 31, 2014 5:25:33 GMT
I have a Vestax BDT-2500 turntable that plays any size record, any speed from 16-98rpm. I purchased it 8+ years ago for $400 and I know there were similar models produced after it. Hope this helps!
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Post by John Green on Dec 31, 2014 9:19:09 GMT
Still O/T,but when you say "any speed" John,do you mean any of the standard(ish) speeds? I've had a few Blues LPs in the past where discs were given as played back at 78rpm,and then at a better,slightly different speed.Apparently,(some?) record players could be tweaked by a few RPM in the old days for maximum listening pleasure?
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Post by richardwoods on Dec 31, 2014 13:32:19 GMT
The Goldring decks from the 60s have a totally variable speed from about 10 RPM to 80+ using a cone and idler wheel arrangement.
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Post by johnm on Dec 31, 2014 15:49:59 GMT
Still O/T,but when you say "any speed" John,do you mean any of the standard(ish) speeds? I've had a few Blues LPs in the past where discs were given as played back at 78rpm,and then at a better,slightly different speed.Apparently,(some?) record players could be tweaked by a few RPM in the old days for maximum listening pleasure? The Vestax turntable has controls for both main pitch and fine pitch, so, yes, it is possible to adjust 16/33/45/78rpm records up or down in speed. It's one of the reasons I bought this particular model.
Alas, Matt, upon further inspection, the turntable I have will not play 16" discs....I'm so sorry if I got your hopes up 
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Post by John Green on Dec 31, 2014 16:18:56 GMT
Here's a 16 rpm player at work: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_iMswsCm40 There's a claim online that most (early?) '50s gramophones had that capacity. p.s.Since the discs were used by radio stations,I'm pretty sure that this thread isn't O/T.And I was feeling so naughty! |
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Post by Richard Marple on Dec 31, 2014 16:52:53 GMT
I've heard of some companies using 80 rpm for shellac discs, & many could have been recorded anywere between 65 - 100 rpm due to basic equipment used in recording & mastering.
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Post by markboulton on Jan 1, 2015 22:05:28 GMT
Not quite sure why the whole thread is throwing in references to 16" and 16rpm interchangeably... :S
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Post by John Green on Jan 1, 2015 22:57:42 GMT
Not quite sure why the whole thread is throwing in references to 16" and 16rpm interchangeably... :S I think it was the second post which threw us.Good point. Apparently the playback discs used by American studios for stars to mime to were quite enormous. |
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Post by Richard Marple on Jan 1, 2015 23:33:18 GMT
I've heard of 16" discs being used for radio transcriptons, not sure what speed, possibly 33rpm.
One quirk on some was the groove started in the centre & worked outward, I guess it's easier to queue up live on air.
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Post by markboulton on Jan 2, 2015 1:56:35 GMT
Not quite sure why the whole thread is throwing in references to 16" and 16rpm interchangeably... :S I think it was the second post which threw us.Good point. Apparently the playback discs used by American studios for stars to mime to were quite enormous. Might have been the same system in use on TOTP then? If you've ever seen that Brotherhood of Man clip on Auntie's Bloomers where the "record" gets "stuck" to the incredulity of the band and audience, you'll notice the looping is very fast. Not quite like a CD, more akin ti a 78rpm record, but obviously not a shellac one. Probably some very wide disc with wide grooves, possibly even magnetic. I've searched for this before and never found any reference to the BBC using any such system for miming, but if the Americans did it... |
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Post by Richard Marple on Jan 2, 2015 12:44:21 GMT
I've heard of some 78 rpm disc being used for playback of songs for miming in films, I guess the output was patched into the sound recording rather than been dubbed on later.
Some from Elivs Presley, The Beatles & Cliff Richard's films I've seen listed in a collectable records book.
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Post by paulgrayson on Jan 3, 2015 23:55:56 GMT
There's a company entitled Simon Yorke Designs who manufacture custom turntables for archival use to order. They can support 16" and 20" records.
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Post by Dan S on Jan 4, 2015 3:10:29 GMT
Talking of record speeds (which this thread wasn't about but it was brought up), there were some discs that were intended to play at 80rpm. I remember reading a story of a woman who was a huge fan of some male singer, collected all his records. She'd been listening to them at 78rpm. When she finally discovered she'd been listening to them at the wrong speed she corrected that error - and then she was disappointed to hear her idol had a higher voice than she'd at first thought... and it put her right off him!
As to 16" discs which this thread was about, it might be expensive to purchase the correct player in order to play a small number of discs. It'd be better to find someone who already had the correct player who can transfer them to cd for you. I've heard of people cannibalising a standard gramophone/record player and rigging up a modified playing arm, not sure how easy it'd be to get it right though.
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Post by Simon Collis on Jan 23, 2015 23:07:46 GMT
In terms of different speeds, if you can find a player that will accept the discs (presuming they're larger than the usual 30cm) you could sample using Audacity - it has a revolution changer plugin nowadays where you tell it the speed you played it at and the speed it's supposed to be and it will do all the calculations for you (whether it applies a modified RIAA impedance curve I don't remember, however)
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