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Post by John Wall on Oct 10, 2021 19:54:31 GMT
I’m sure that carefully considered positive feedback is taken seriously. There have been occasions when animation has been updated/improved and that may be possible when the BluRay box sets start on b&w seasons. Things like windmill arms may be able to be sorted out fairly easily. Yes,and while we're at it,let's ask the artists to go back and improve every Spiderman comic,every Batman comic and that issue of Superman from 1964 that the artist wasn't quite happy with in the last panel!I've said it before,the animation is just something to hang the soundtrack on to give an alternative viewing experience.The original episodes are long gone and thesr are just homages to them.Nothing fills me with more apathy than the thought of re-investing in what is already a contrived product.Sorry. The aim is to try and achieve as good a viewing experience as possible. A few tweaks here and there to remove something irritating is a positive thing imho.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 10, 2021 14:28:57 GMT
I’m sure that carefully considered positive feedback is taken seriously.
There have been occasions when animation has been updated/improved and that may be possible when the BluRay box sets start on b&w seasons. Things like windmill arms may be able to be sorted out fairly easily.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 7, 2021 19:35:40 GMT
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Post by John Wall on Oct 4, 2021 11:25:43 GMT
They’ve got a decent platform to bang the drum to get people looking for MEs👍
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Post by John Wall on Sept 29, 2021 23:38:23 GMT
Thinking about the acquired episode or episodes, if you acquired them in 1975 and you were say 25 years old for example you are going to be in your late 60’s early 70’s now (even if you were a 20 year old at the time) I wonder why after all this time of having them you wouldn’t be willing to let the bbc take a print? I’m not I’m any way judging or want to get into rights and wrongs, i just wonder if your still not wanting that to happen would you put something in a will to pass them on and stating not to allow prints to be taken or maybe say now they can. You would hopefully presume that as a collector your family would know how important the collection is (not just dr who related but anything which may be missing) so they didn’t just junk everything. I guess from a collectors point of view if there is only one print in existence and you allow it to be duplicated it diminishes the rarity? Would I for example (I like collecting records) if I had the only version of a Beatles single known to exist would I allow it to be duplicated or keep it to myself. As I say not judging anyone or suggesting they should be doing anything in any way, it’s just a very interesting thought to be in that position, having it for so long probably not even watching it for a good while (I have so many records so don’t get played for years) anyway I’m rambling but I do find it so thought provoking. Questions that have been discussed many times.
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Post by John Wall on Sept 28, 2021 11:19:10 GMT
Thanks RhysH 👍
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Post by John Wall on Sept 28, 2021 8:37:39 GMT
In terms of complete stories I think it’s reasonable to assume that PM has now been everywhere - he started the search more than ten years ago and the foreign broadcasts seem to be pretty well nailed down. He learned about Jos when he was in Nigeria, if there were other places like that he’d have learned about them. He’s more than smart enough to ask if Jos was the only one. Orphans are certainly a possibility, there are stories/rumours - that have been discussed here - of up to half a dozen, but we don’t know if those involved have actually been able to check that the print exists and is a ME. Earlier in this thread it was suggested that a couple of Hartnell MEs are out there with a collector. The most likely source is the batch returned from ABC from which we know MEs were “acquired” - I worked out what these could possibly be. And what episodes could they be John? It’s somewhere earlier in this thread! I found the list of ABC returns and crossed off those that existed. I think it came down to about a dozen. If I’ve got time later and am feeling masochistic I might scroll back….
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Post by John Wall on Sept 25, 2021 9:52:07 GMT
I think the chances of another recovery on the scale of Enemy and Web is close to zero 👎 Complete stories have come back from broadcasters, orphans from collectors. It’s now almost eight years since Enemy/Web were announced and we now know that PM actually located them some time earlier - although the details have tended to be somewhat fluid. Thinking it through it’s probably getting on for TEN years since PM first got into that storeroom in Jos and clapped his eyes on those cans of film. Perhaps some day PM will publish a detailed account but it’s worth noting that Airlock and UM2 were announced in December 2011, having been recovered earlier. It’s actually slightly possible that PM first established the existence of Enemy/Web before Airlock and UM2…… Feeling glass half full today. I get where you are coming from John but how can we ever really know? Folks have quite reasonably been pessimistic since the scale of the missing episode problem became public knowledge, but stuff keeps on turning up. Who’s to say that some or all of The Abominable Snowmen & Wheel aren’t sat in a forgotten store somewhere else in Nigeria? Unlikely yes, but far from impossible as the recovery of Enemy & Web has shown us. If relations unexpectedly improve with Teheran who’s to say our intrepid go getter can’t recover the demo episodes of Marco Polo. Other recovered orphans could add to or complete partially missing series like Wheel & Faceless Ones. In terms of complete stories I think it’s reasonable to assume that PM has now been everywhere - he started the search more than ten years ago and the foreign broadcasts seem to be pretty well nailed down. He learned about Jos when he was in Nigeria, if there were other places like that he’d have learned about them. He’s more than smart enough to ask if Jos was the only one. Orphans are certainly a possibility, there are stories/rumours - that have been discussed here - of up to half a dozen, but we don’t know if those involved have actually been able to check that the print exists and is a ME. Earlier in this thread it was suggested that a couple of Hartnell MEs are out there with a collector. The most likely source is the batch returned from ABC from which we know MEs were “acquired” - I worked out what these could possibly be.
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Post by John Wall on Sept 25, 2021 8:52:24 GMT
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Post by John Wall on Sept 24, 2021 23:31:41 GMT
The problem is with every place checked, the less places something could turn up. The fact that pm has been in nigeria for 10 years, my belief that any place that was accessible has been addressed. It's possible that he might have some trade bait but i lean against it. I'm not optimistic of web 3 being recovered. Assuming the story is understood correctly. I'm thinking it was stolen-destroyed by an ignorant nigerian who could be dead by now. Likely a few still in the hands of collectors, but it's been 50 years since the bbc prints met any fate, so those original collectors are dying off. Some may be ignorant, but i think most collectors by now have become aware. My prediction of existing episodes is still single digits(0-9) however i'd love to be proven wrong. One thing that's unfortunate is the young are not getting into old who. So any value to missing episodes may go down as us old timers die. Kids like their youth. PM has been at it for a long time. Unless he publishes a definitive account we can’t be certain but I doubt there are many, if any, places still to check. WOF3 has been chased for years, it may, or may not, still exist. There are reports of MEs with collectors but we don’t know whether these have been verified
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Post by John Wall on Sept 24, 2021 23:15:57 GMT
Complete stories have come back from broadcasters, orphans from collectors. It’s now almost eight years since Enemy/Web were announced and we now know that PM actually located them some time earlier - although the details have tended to be somewhat fluid. Going purely off dates there was almost 20 years between the Enemy/Web discovery and the previous broadcaster discovery (Tomb). I think it’s extremely unlikely that more MEs will come back from broadcasters. There are various places where stories ended up but I doubt that many, if any, are still in the same premises. The chances of another Jos are so low as to be non-existent. There’s the extremely remote possibility of a couple from, iirc, Iran but I’m not heading to Ladbrokes!
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Post by John Wall on Sept 24, 2021 19:14:08 GMT
I think the chances of another recovery on the scale of Enemy and Web is close to zero 👎 Complete stories have come back from broadcasters, orphans from collectors. It’s now almost eight years since Enemy/Web were announced and we now know that PM actually located them some time earlier - although the details have tended to be somewhat fluid. Thinking it through it’s probably getting on for TEN years since PM first got into that storeroom in Jos and clapped his eyes on those cans of film. Perhaps some day PM will publish a detailed account but it’s worth noting that Airlock and UM2 were announced in December 2011, having been recovered earlier. It’s actually slightly possible that PM first established the existence of Enemy/Web before Airlock and UM2…… From everything we've heard I'm fairly confident he found them around Christmas 2011. As much as that's a revision from earlier dates given, I can't see any reason to push it back further than that. He thought one of the episodes of Web was damaged, he got spooked and handed it over but held back Enemy of the World because he thought it was fine.
That’s not too long after Airlock and UM2.
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Post by John Wall on Sept 24, 2021 17:58:20 GMT
I think the chances of another recovery on the scale of Enemy and Web is close to zero 👎 Complete stories have come back from broadcasters, orphans from collectors.
It’s now almost eight years since Enemy/Web were announced and we now know that PM actually located them some time earlier - although the details have tended to be somewhat fluid.
Thinking it through it’s probably getting on for TEN years since PM first got into that storeroom in Jos and clapped his eyes on those cans of film.
Perhaps some day PM will publish a detailed account but it’s worth noting that Airlock and UM2 were announced in December 2011, having been recovered earlier.
It’s actually slightly possible that PM first established the existence of Enemy/Web before Airlock and UM2……
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Post by John Wall on Sept 22, 2021 19:49:03 GMT
Wasn’t AYBS entirely studio based..? When was there any film..? In the movie version……
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Post by John Wall on Sept 20, 2021 17:42:01 GMT
There are a few stills that suggest it was rather psychedelic.
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