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Post by Ian Wegg on Aug 16, 2016 13:43:29 GMT
From the top of my head I think Endemol hung on to Churchill The Wilderness Years and How. At one time they also owned Out of Town but Jack Hargreaves's stepson Simon Baddeley bought the rights from them. There may be others. I know David King put a detailed list of who held what but I can't locate it at the moment, possibly it was another forum.
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Post by Ian Wegg on Jul 21, 2016 6:22:48 GMT
Have you contacted Kaleidoscope? They will be be able to help a lot more than ITV, they have people very knowledgeable about Southern programmes. www.kaleidoscopepublishing.co.ukIt's also worth seeking out contemporary editions of TV Times and Look In magazine, if you haven't already. There is a wealth of information in there. ~iw
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Post by Ian Wegg on Jul 19, 2016 21:46:02 GMT
All three could be clips from the final episode of Little Big Time, but it does rather beg the question (a retrospective show about an earlier retrospective show?). Meridian's two series of Southern Gold used clips from Southern's own 21st anniversary programme of 1979, complete with the "21" logo.
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Post by Ian Wegg on Jul 19, 2016 6:41:35 GMT
My understanding is that all the researchers for Southern Gold had available to them in 1993 was a telerecording of the final ever episode of Little Big Time, i.e. 6.14 from 1974. The clip with Freddie breaking down must, I am sure, be from that episode. I had thought that the cast reprising their original performances was indeed what happened but as you have alluded, neither Christopher Benjamin nor Graham Haberfield were involved with the show by then (and in fact even The Dreamers had left after series 4). I'll speculate that perhaps 6.14 itself included clips from the Oliver in the Overworld serial of three years earlier. This was the last show and Oliver was undoubtedly its finest hour so it would make sense to have included a "retrospective". Viewing the full show would answer it but I'm told that frustratingly it has gone awol since 1993 and only the clips remain.
The "Oliver in the Overworld" story began as a 5 minute segment in series 2 of Little Big Time and it was the popularity of that, with its song "Gimme Dat Ding" charting at number 6 in 1970, that lead to a dedicated serial the following year. That curious American promo compilation could be from series 2 but I think the number of characters identifies it as the "full fat" series 3.
~iw
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Post by Ian Wegg on Jul 18, 2016 20:59:26 GMT
The Southern Gold clips were from the last episode of Little Big Time - 6.14.
~iw
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Post by Ian Wegg on Jul 16, 2016 10:50:11 GMT
There are two b/w photographs taken from the series in Geoff Tibballs' book 'The Golden Age Of Children's TV' - one of Freddie and a boxing kangaroo (captioned "Pinto the kangaroo is happy to hit a man with glasses if it's Freddie Garrity on Little Big Time"), and the other of Freddie standing around a microphone with members of the Dreamers dressed up as ghosts (captioned "Freddie and his spooky Dreamers enter into the spirit of Little Big Time"). Incidentally the book, while being fairly light on programme details generally, has some great b/w photos from series such as Tich And Quackers, Orlando, Freewheelers etc. and is cheap to pick up from Amazon: www.amazon.co.uk/Golden-Age-Childrens-Television/dp/1852864079/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1468336492&sr=8-5&keywords=geoff+tibballs+tvThanks for the pointer (not least because I'd forgotten I had that book!). There is also a colour photograph of Freddie sparing with the kangaroo in The Dream Factory book (which itself occasionally turns up on eBay). It's been pointed out to me offline that a very good quality series 5 (1974) episode of Little Big Time exists in the Bob Monkhouse collection. It's a Philips N1500 off-air recording with Thames continuity, the full programme followed by an extensive trailer for the next episode and an advert for the Little Big Time LP. It was cleaned up further by Kaleidoscope and shown at one of their events. The clips shown on Southern Gold in 1993 were from an official colour recording of the final episode from a private source (possibly production crew). lostshows.com/default.aspx?programme=2cdae97e-413b-4b86-b11a-c4c0d4d4e4f9~iw
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Post by Ian Wegg on Jul 11, 2016 14:48:54 GMT
I've found the trick for watching it is to use the space bar to play and pause. I assume there is a play control somewhere but it isn't visible (I stumbled across the invisible "full screen" button but couldn't find any others). You can go directly to the video at this link. You need to give it plenty of time to buffer (it took several minutes on my broadband). The first part is new to me. Aside from the narration it's interesting to note some Americanisms in the original programme such as the "Bell Telephones" with U.S. accents, evidence perhaps of an eye to overseas sales when they made it? The VT ident board is interesting and only on screen briefly. It's not clear where this came from, but everything after that point is from Southern Gold. Frustratingly my DVD copy of that programme won't play but I don't recall there being much more than that. ~iw
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Post by Ian Wegg on Jul 10, 2016 16:40:28 GMT
The video on that website doesn't work for me (in any browser). From memory the Southern Gold clips were all from the final episode of Little Big Time and featured a German style (lederhosen thigh slapping) performance with Wilf Lunn and Freddie's farewell song where he nearly cracks up. There is a thread on the old M-Club site here: Freddie and the Dreamers and a robot with cutlery arms?~iw
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Post by Ian Wegg on May 26, 2016 12:06:24 GMT
I've been through all the TV Times available to me and it seems that for most of 1965 the three weekday ITV franchises North (Granada), Midlands (ATV) and London (Rediffusion) had a programme called Seeing Sport in the 5:00pm Monday slot. All of the other regions showed Go! and each of them contributed one or more films to the series. The earliest I can find the series being fully networked is episode 27 on 18 October, which appears in the London edition of TV Times listed as "Southern Television Network Production".
These are the episode contents that I found that aren't in lostshows, with the regional company that produced them:
31.05.65 Canoe Building. Ulster 21.06.65 Golfing. Scottish 12.07.65 Hydroplaning. Anglia 16.08.65 Water Ski-ing 2. Southern 23.08.65 Camping. Westward 06.09.65 Fresh Water Fishing. Tyne Tees 13.09.65 Aeromodelling. Grampian. 11.10.65 Surf Riding. Channel 18.10.65 Shotgun Shooting. Southern. 25.10.65 Diving. Tyne Tees 01.11.65 Golfing - 1. Scottish 08.11.65 Golfing - 2. Scottish
(There are 12 episodes for which I don't have a TV Times for reference)
John, your previously mentioned 05.07.65 Ponk Trekking was made by Border. I guess that is where there are the most ponks! Episode 3 on lostshows as "Fitness" was made by TWW. I think every single region (outside the big 3) made a contribution, was it common for the regions to collaborate on a complete series in this way I wonder?
Southern made at least 4 episodes: 2 on Water ski-ing with Fred Dinenage (which used the company's OB boat Southerner in their first year of ownership), Jack's "Learning to Fish" and another one by Jack Hargreaves on "Shotgun Shooting". That I would love to see!
~iw
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Post by Ian Wegg on May 25, 2016 20:40:32 GMT
Do we have subject-matters for the ones which aren't given any on Lostshows? I've just been doing a trawl of the listings. Getting them all will take time. All I have so far... 20-11-1965. Sand Yachting. James Lloyd. Tyne Tees. 27-11-1965. Learning To Fish. Jack Hargreaves. Southern. 04-12-1965. Railway Modelling. Stuart Hutchison. Westward. 11-12-1965. Ski-ing. James Spankie. Grampian. 18-12-1965. Boat Building. Anglia. I'm hoping any more Southern ones may turn up from the same source (whatever that is). ~iw
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Post by Ian Wegg on May 25, 2016 19:59:01 GMT
It is being reported on the Jack Hargreaves Facebook Page that a film has been discovered called "Learning To Fish". This is an episode of the children's programme Go! which introduced youngsters to new activities and was broadcast throughout 1965 on Monday's at 5.00pm. It was networked on ITV but each region contributed episodes. Jack's is, naturally, from Southern. It is listed as missing on lostshows (as are most of the others). www.lostshows.com/default.aspx?programme=20a8bae1-2a9a-4386-bd54-c4413b33b4ad~iw
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Post by Ian Wegg on May 24, 2016 9:19:30 GMT
A postscript to this thread. I was intrigued to read in the DVD booklet that: "The title sequence featuring the central characters playing croquet was filmed in Chichester". As I know Chichester cathedral quite well I looked at the sequence, but it didn't look like any part of the building that I knew. However, the Wikipedia article says it is "the headmaster's garden of St.Albans School" and a quick Google proves that Wikipedia is right and the booklet wrong. Yesterday on Facebook someone repeated the claim that All Gas and Gaiters was filmed in Chichester so I skimmed through the episodes I haven't yet watched and found that indeed location footage for the series 5 story "The Bishop Has A Rest" were clearly filmed in and around Chichester Cathedral. In the course of Googling AGAG and Chichester I also discovered that I have just missed the "World Stage Premiere" of the All Gas and Gaiters play, based on the scripts of three missing episodes and performed by the Chichester Players. Chichester Players: All Gas and Gaiters"We have acquired the rights to the world stage premiere of All Gas and Gaiters, the 1960s sitcom. One of our members, David Brown, wrote to the authors Pauline Delaney and Edwin Apps some time ago asking about the possibility of their collating and publishing a number of episodes that the BBC had lost or destroyed. The authors have duly done so and, as a thank you to David, have given Chichester Players the licence to perform for the first time three episodes at the New Park Centre the beginning of April." According to the Chichester Players' magazine Masque ( March 2016) Pauline Devaney and Edwin Apps had been invited to attend the premier, as had the Bishop and Dean of Chichester. I don't know how well the play was received or whether a West End run or a tour will follow! Just disappointed that I missed out on seeing it. ~iw
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Post by Ian Wegg on May 16, 2016 9:11:50 GMT
All of his uploads have the TVARK watermark so I suspect they've been sourced from TVARK - Southern Television. Plagiarism is rife! Having just checked TVARK I see one of my own recordings on there. ~iw
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Post by Ian Wegg on May 14, 2016 16:54:07 GMT
I am grateful to my colleague and fellow Southern Television enthusiast Tony Herbert for this find. A YouTube channel of recordings of church music: www.youtube.com/channel/UCoJLDKYk8C9b0_32eNHJf0wMany of them are from TV and Radio broadcasts and, I suspect, at least a few of them not archived anywhere else. Our particular interest is this upload: Halleujah - a Programme of Sacred Music, a Southern programme recorded in Canterbury Cathedral in 1973. The video comments claim "This is the earliest known surviving colour TV recording (1973) of a British cathedral choir" which may well be true. It has burnt in subtitles (I'm guessing Chinese or Japanese) but aside from this the quality is excellent. Associated with the channel is a website, a Facebook page and a Twitter account: www.recordedchurchmusic.orgfacebook.com/inquirestwitter.com/inquires~iw (Posting here as it seems more appropriate than the TotP + Music forum).
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Post by Ian Wegg on May 2, 2016 11:55:20 GMT
Now,if they'd asked for the names of the cats in 'Boss Cat'... Actually Richard Osman did say "sometimes called Boss Cat", but what the original survey asked is another matter. I agree, results on Pointless are often surprising. ~iw
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