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Post by chrisstratton on May 18, 2014 15:32:36 GMT
I've found about 40 mins of a POTP radio show from 1964 with all Alan Freeman links from an old reel to reel tape...i'm trying to date it...Is there a website/database of somekind on the net?
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Post by robchapman on May 18, 2014 19:56:30 GMT
You shouldn't really need to go to a website/database Chris, just an accurate chart compendium book will do and will give you the relevant week, Omnibus, Tony Jasper. etc.
Just run them past me. I'll date it for you. And I expect a fair few others on this site can too
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Post by chrisstratton on May 19, 2014 7:18:14 GMT
Here's what I found:
PICK OF THE POPS – ALAN FREEMAN – 1964
Hold Me – PJ Proby
Sweet William – Millie
Husky – Jimmy Nicol
Somethings Got A Hold On Me – Elkie Brooks
La Bamba – The Crickets
Kissing Cousins – Elvis Presley
Ramona -The Bachelors
The Rise and Fall Of Fingel Blunt – The Shadows
No Particular Place To Go – Chuck Berry
Shout – Lulu
Hello Dolly – Louis Armstrong
My Guy – Mary Wells
Here I Go Again – The Hollies
Someone Someone – Brian Poole and The Tremeloes
You're My World – Cilla Black
It's Over – Roy Orbison
i'm pretty sure it's from around june or july 1964 but I would like to date it.
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Post by robchapman on May 19, 2014 12:17:16 GMT
From my calculations that all points to June 20th Chris, although from PJ Proby down to Elvis that sounds like Unit 2 (?) the just outside the chart section. Is it all one uninterrupted broadcast or are there cuts that you can detect?
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Post by johnpoole on May 19, 2014 22:50:08 GMT
Sunday 21st June I would think : - P.J.Proby outside the Top Ten; next, four new releases; Elvis - LP track; then the Top Ten
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Post by chrisstratton on May 20, 2014 5:38:00 GMT
Thanks for all the replies..i can now date the tape.
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Post by Richard M White on May 20, 2014 10:40:27 GMT
You shouldn't really need to go to a website/database Chris, just an accurate chart compendium book will do and will give you the relevant week, Omnibus, Tony Jasper. etc. Just run them past me. I'll date it for you. And I expect a fair few others on this site can too But the chart books will have different positions etc. because as you well know, the BBC used their own charts in this period, so didn't match with Guinness etc! |
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Post by Richard M White on May 20, 2014 10:45:45 GMT
1964 JUN 21 - Alan Freeman
Top 10 only
Unit 4
10 RAMONA - Bachelors
09 THE RISE AND FALL OF FLINGEL BUNT - Shadows
08 NO PARTICULAR PLACE TO GO - Chuck Berry
07 SHOUT - Lulu and the Luvvers
06 HELLO, DOLLY! - Louis Armstrong
05 MY GUY Mary Wells
04 HERE I GO AGAIN - Hollies
03 SOMEONE, SOMEONE - Brian Poole and the Tremeloes
02 YOU'RE MY WORLD (IL MIO MONDO) - Cilla Black
01 IT'S OVER Roy Orbison
I copied this from the Popscene website which confirms the date.
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Post by robchapman on May 20, 2014 15:31:46 GMT
Yes I meant the 21st not the 20th sorry. I forgot that my chart books give the corresponding saturday, not sunday. Haven't had to look one up for a while. Yes I know that there was variation between the BBC and other charts, but it was never that much and they never differed that greatly. I've never needed to consult a website for this kind of info and have been correctly identifying chart shows like this since the late 70s (the internet was still all fields when I were a lad) Haven't got one wrong yet.
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Post by Richard M White on May 21, 2014 16:05:10 GMT
Rob, the week ending Saturday date only started in August 1969. Before that it was a Thursday.
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Post by robchapman on May 21, 2014 17:27:10 GMT
Not in my trusty Tony Jasper it doesn't matey. British Record Charts 1955-1976. (Futura Publications 1976.) Withdrawn stock. "Lambeth Amenity Services" 1979
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Post by Richard M White on May 21, 2014 19:27:26 GMT
I agree but the dates used by Record Retailer did, and these dates were used by Guinness both in the Hit Singles and Top 40 Hits books.
The explanation in the 2001 Guinness book reads as follows:
The NME charts 14 Nov 52 - 4 Mar 60 were dated w/e Friday.
The RR charts 10 Mar 60 - 28 Jul 67 were dated w/e Thursday.
The RR charts 5 Jul 67 - 30 Jul 69 were dated w/e Wednesday, they only moved w/e Sat date on 9 Aug 69.
So the first BMRB chart, announced on Tue 11 Feb 69, was dated w/e 12 Feb by Record Retailer (subsequently used by Guinness) and w/e 15 Feb by Record Mirror. And as Tony Jasper explains, there's a difference between RM and RR up to March 1962 anyway.......
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Post by Tony Walshaw on May 22, 2014 7:07:01 GMT
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Post by Richard M White on May 22, 2014 19:29:42 GMT
Not straight away. In the Top 40 chart w/e 30 Apr 69, there were 41 records, due to a joint no 40, there was also a joint 38, 36 and 33! When BMRB took over the chart compilation, it was the first time the chart had been based on actual (panel) sales. Before that date, the positions of the chart returns were just averaged out from the various lists submitted by the record shops.
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Post by Tony Walshaw on May 25, 2014 8:03:34 GMT
Interesting. The BMRB must have hit on an accurate way of defining sales, because they compiled the chart for many years.
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