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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 12, 2014 21:02:53 GMT
Classic Doctor Who episodes were usually ~25'00" long.
Imagine you found a fragment of an episode that was 12'30" long (or otherwise exactly half the duration, for the sake of argument).
Now is that episode considered:
- EXISTING but with 12'30" (etc) worth of footage missing?
- MISSING but a 12'30" (etc) fragment exists?
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Post by Elliott Prince on Feb 12, 2014 22:08:14 GMT
However, to answer Brad's original posting, I would regard the hypothetical 'episode' as missing, but with a [insert half-time of hypothetical episode here] fragment existing. People never regarded the Galaxy Four episode as existing, despite the fact that a lengthy segment existed.
Another reason for viewing it like this is that, if half an episode was found and it was regarded as being 'found', Joe Public might assume that it exists in it's entirety, and people might be resigned to guess that it's not worth keeping an eye out for the other half.
A couple of minutes missing as a result of the censor's knife...yes, I would regard that as being found. But half? Sorry.
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Post by Graeme Briscoe on Feb 12, 2014 23:18:12 GMT
I'll put in like this instead.
If episodes 1 3 6 of power or fury was found but others missing would you say that the story is found.
Answer no so leads round to answer to your question. No
But I would class it as a long excert or long clip.
I feel like the big guy on egg heads going round block via block two to get to start.
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Post by lousingh on Feb 13, 2014 1:21:47 GMT
Classic Doctor Who episodes were usually ~25'00" long. Imagine you found a fragment of an episode that was 12'30" long (or otherwise exactly half the duration, for the sake of argument). Now is that episode considered: - EXISTING but with 12'30" (etc) worth of footage missing? - MISSING but a 12'30" (etc) fragment exists? Missing with a long excerpt. |
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Post by scotttelfer on Feb 13, 2014 22:24:59 GMT
I believe it would depend on the nature of the film itself. If it was the first or last half of the film, I'm sure it would be considered missing. If it was one whole film that had exceptionally heavy censoring it would probably be considered found but with missing footage.
To be honest with you though, I'm sure some people wouldn't even be happy accepting it if it was 60% existing, never mind 50%. |
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 14, 2014 7:51:40 GMT
Classic Doctor Who episodes were usually ~25'00" long. Imagine you found a fragment of an episode that was 12'30" long (or otherwise exactly half the duration, for the sake of argument). Now is that episode considered: - EXISTING but with 12'30" (etc) worth of footage missing? - MISSING but a 12'30" (etc) fragment exists? Missing with a long excerpt. See I'm the opposite. I would prefer to say at 50% the episode is considered found. Otherwise at what point do we say it's back? |
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Post by George D on Feb 14, 2014 16:06:12 GMT
I would say footage found. 50% is edited too much for me to consider found.
A good example is shada. Footage exists. . Probably more than half but unless a good reconstruction is done, it is just footage.
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Post by dougp on Feb 14, 2014 16:33:12 GMT
The Four Hundred Dawns segment which exists is pretty long but the episode itself is still considered missing...
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Post by andyc on Feb 14, 2014 19:24:06 GMT
There is a pinned thread on this board titled "The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear Recovered"
Where clearly not all of Web has been recovered.
But according to the title of the thread, it's been found.
Glass approx. 80% full....... :>)
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Post by malcolmostlere on Feb 14, 2014 19:32:14 GMT
There is a pinned thread on this board titled "The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear Recovered" Where clearly not all of Web has been recovered. But according to the title of the thread, it's been found. Glass approx. 80% full....... :>) Actually 11 existing out of 12 make it a 91.66% glass full. |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Feb 14, 2014 22:57:30 GMT
Classic Doctor Who episodes were usually ~25'00" long. Imagine you found a fragment of an episode that was 12'30" long (or otherwise exactly half the duration, for the sake of argument). Now is that episode considered: - EXISTING but with 12'30" (etc) worth of footage missing? - MISSING but a 12'30" (etc) fragment exists? Missing with a long excerpt. It's an extract from a missing episode...?  |
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 14, 2014 23:29:53 GMT
The Four Hundred Dawns segment which exists is pretty long but the episode itself is still considered missing... Extract - 5'53" Episode total - 22'21" Yes, it's still missing.  |
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Post by Sue Butcher on Feb 15, 2014 0:03:46 GMT
We could make fairly accurate title and end credit sequences for "Dawns", so we'd get another minute of it on top of the 5'53".
Ho hum!
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Post by jcoleman on Feb 15, 2014 1:06:43 GMT
Missing with a long excerpt. See I'm the opposite. I would prefer to say at 50% the episode is considered found. Otherwise at what point do we say it's back? For what it’s worth, I’d look at it like this: Does the footage found fulfil the essential narrative of the episode? If the answer is yes then the episode exists but is incomplete. If the answer is no then the episode is missing, but a lengthy fragment exists. If you consider the censored prints returned from Australia, all of them make sense even with the excised sections. If we didn’t know differently it’s unlikely we’d even be aware there was footage missing. However, when the censors were unable to remove all the ‘offending’ material without losing the coherence of the plot they simply rejected the entire story. In the unlikely event footage totalling half an episode was recovered I doubt very much it would be sufficient to meet the criterion suggested above. |
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Post by Neil Lambess on Feb 15, 2014 2:51:47 GMT
just to really throw a curve ball into the works......
dont we already have a situation where 50% of all the missing episodes already exist? (the sound does!)
the other 50% missing been the picture ! (and even then we have telesnaps of some of them so......we could argue that more than 50% exists for some of them.)
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