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Post by Alan Turrell on Sept 19, 2013 11:07:42 GMT
Thanks For All The Info Everyone On This, As Laurence Says It Does Need A Clean Up,And It's A Shame It Hasn't Had One because Although The Clip Is Known About It's Still A Valuable Piece Of Early Pink Floyd (Syd Barrett) Footage Of Which There Is Very Little Surviving .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 13:37:42 GMT
Yes. Also, there isn't much of Barrett that's in colour either. To be fair, it did look like the BBC gave it a bit of a spruce up for Seven Ages Of Rock but it could still be much improved with time and care.
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Post by robchapman on Sept 19, 2013 13:39:10 GMT
The Jugband Blues promo film was shot for the Central Office of Information in late 1967, although I've never understood what the tie up was there or how many pop promo films the COI made. Or why.
In my Barrett biography A Very Irregular Head poet Spike Hawkins recalls being involved in a never seen promo film for Scream Thy Last Scream, while Hester Page recalls everyone piling into a mini moke one afternoon to go and make another unseen Floyd promo. I suspect this kind of thing was far more common than any of the official sources (or indeed unofficial ones) reveal and that there was an abundance of abandoned/unfinished projects.
Does anyone know that book and film The London Nobody Knows? (book by Geoffrey Fletcher. Film presented by James Mason) great descriptions of disappearing London at the time when the wrecking balls were out in force. Someone should have written a book called The Sixties Pop Nobody Knows before it was too late. I suspect a lot more has been lost than just footage.
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Post by briancook on Sept 20, 2013 18:57:01 GMT
just to add it was nice to see jugband again - it has always needed cleaning up - yes the bbc did give it a brief 'clean' [did they use the tv equivalent of 'exciters'? also is there a comprehensive list of 1960's floyd tv show appearances anywhere and their survival status? www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSz2bDE6ukwthose interested in the floyd will get my avatar.
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Post by SydV on Sept 20, 2013 19:24:02 GMT
They were in the audience for an edition of "Ready Steady Go!" in April 1966, not sure if they were caught on camera, but if they were then that would have been their first TV appearance.
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Post by briancook on Sept 20, 2013 20:04:56 GMT
They were in the audience for an edition of "Ready Steady Go!" in April 1966, not sure if they were caught on camera, but if they were then that would have been their first TV appearance. thanks for that I knew about the RSG thing there must be a list available somewhere?
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Post by SydV on Sept 20, 2013 20:46:14 GMT
Syd era (not including promos/film) 07/03/1967 "Scene Special: It's So Far Out It's Straight Down" - Granada (North ITV region only) black & white "Interstellar Overdrive" at the UFO club on 27th January 1967, "Percy the Ratcatcher" can also be heard. 06/03/1967 "The Rave" Not broadcast, this was a pilot made by Granada as a possible replacement for RSG!, The Move & Pink Floyd performed 05/05/1967 "Fanclub" - Dutch TV b&w Thought to be the source of the 'alternate' Arnold Layne promo shot in woods and near a church, rec date given as 29/04/67 14/05/1967 "Look of the Week" BBC1 b&w Live "Pow R Toc H" (brief) & "Astronomy Domine" with light show backdrop + interview with Syd & Roger 03/07/1967 "Die Jungen Nachtwandler - London Unter 21" - German TV, b&w A one hour documentary including Pink Floyd "Interstellar Overdrive" rec at UFO 24/02/67 and The Who "Glittering Girl" Pete demo & band rehearsal 07/1967 "Top of the Pops" - BBC1 (black & white) Three appearances - 06/Jul exists, 27/Jul performance was also recorded on domestic format but completely obliterated by tape damage 17/07/1967 "Living Music" - Rediffusion b&w doc about DJ Mike Quinn filmed at Tiles Club, London. incl Pink Floyd ??/11/1967 "Boss City" - USA TV colour "Apples and Oranges" rec 08/11/67, tx'd 09/11/67 or 11/11/67, lost? 18/11/1967 "American Bandstand", USA TV colour "Apples and Oranges" rec 07/11/67, surviving copy is b&w 04/12/1967 "Pat Boone Show" - USA TV colour "The Gnome" & "Chapter 24", Syd apparently refused to mime and stood motionless, so Roger Waters mimed instead, not seen since original tx, rec 06/11/67 17/01/1968 "Tomorrow's World" - BBC1 b&w Improvisation for Light Show feature, rec on 12/12/67 Gilmour era appearances can be found among the lists of Rock on TV for 1968 onwards here.... homepage.ntlworld.com/carousel/pob/RockOnTV68.html
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2013 9:51:52 GMT
Thanks for the list.
I've never found any index of early Floyd TV appearances in any of the books featuring them to be the last word on the subject though. There was apparently another Fan Club performance (a studio appearance), for instance, in April '67. I saw an excellent colour still from it in the Syd exhibition in Brick Lane a few years ago. Supposedly it was earlier the same day as Ally Pally. As well as that, there are a lot of references to European TV dates which is never made clear if they happened or what the content was. So a definitive listing would be very welcome - I reckon you've got most of 'em there in your posting though!
A shame though that the few colour TV appearances they made are either missing or only existing as a b/w copy.
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Post by briancook on Sept 21, 2013 14:57:38 GMT
wow! thanks so much ofr all the lists much useful info there!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2013 17:55:06 GMT
This may be the missing one on that list Laurence
Pink Floyd - Arnold Layne and Candy And A Current Bun (Fan Club 5th May 1967)
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Post by briancook on Sept 21, 2013 18:06:38 GMT
This may be the missing one on that list Laurence Pink Floyd - Arnold Layne and Candy And A Current Bun (Fan Club 5th May 1967) thanks for this too
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2013 19:58:15 GMT
This may be the missing one on that list Laurence Pink Floyd - Arnold Layne and Candy And A Current Bun (Fan Club 5th May 1967) That's probably the one, Mike! I presume May 5th was the tx date if they pre-recorded it on the Ally Pally day a few days before. I'm also assuming that it doesn't exist any more (sadly).
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Post by Alan Turrell on Sept 21, 2013 20:43:34 GMT
Here is another source of Pink Floyd Tv Appearances From 1967.This is from the Pink Floyd roIO Database .
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1967: San Francisco (film short) Film director Antony Stern produced this episodic 15-minute documentary of a day in the life of the psychedelic city of San Francisco, while the Floyd improvised a version of Interstellar Overdrive on the soundtrack -- apparently the group's first proper recording. Audio tapes have circulated among collectors for years, but the film is much harder to find. Pink Floyd London 1966-1967 (See for Miles video) Tonite Let's All Make Love In London The See For Miles video, released last year, includes out-takes from director Peter Whitehead's feature-length study of swinging London, 'Tonite Let's All Make Love In London',plus priceless extracts from a 30-minute recording session of Interstellar Overdrive and the recently unearthed Nick's Boogie, shot on 11th or 12 january 1967. Recorded at Sound Techniques Studio in Chelsea, London, this session preceded the band's contract with EMI/ Columbia by two month -- hence its trouble-free release.
Overdubbed with the full soundtrack of both songs, this footage is interspersed with silent stock shots from the legendary UFO Club (probably early 1967), again in full colour, as well as black-and-white audience footage at the '14-Hour Technicolor Dream' (see below). 6.3.67: The Rave (Granada TV) The Move briefly had their own TV show and Pink Floyd were this week's guests. 7.3.67: Scene Special (alias "It's So Far Out, It's Straight Down!") The bourgeoning London underground scene was covered in detail in this excellent documentary (directed by Jo Durden-Smith), screened in the Granada region only. Miles, John 'Hoppy' Hopkins, Paul McCartney and Allen Ginsberg were among the talking heads, while the Floyd were heard playing an early version of Matilda Mother (then known as Percy The Ratcatcher). Later in the film, they were seen performing Interstellar Overdrive at the UFO club, in footage shot on 20th January 1967.
The entire 29-minute programme still exists in the vaults and clips of different lenghts and have benn unearthed for various retrospectives. 3.67: Arnold Layne (promo film) Floyd's first single was riding up the charts, despite being banned by Radio London, and it was scheduled to be played on "Top Of The Pops" on 6th April. However, the black-and-white promo film for Arnold Layne was pulled at the last minute (the single had slipped down the charts that week) and never broadcast. The film itself features the band messing about on a windswept beach with a mannequin dressed up as a bussinessman. It was shown on French TVs 'Bouton Rouge' on 21st May 1967; and more surprisingly, Roger Waters used the complete footage on his solo tour in 1987, as did Floyd at Knebworth in 1990. 4.67: EMI Recording Studios, London Vex Films' "Syd's First Trip" video - which runs to just 12 minutes - includes silent, colour 8-mm footage (rumoured to have been shot by Nick Mason, who is the only band member out-of-shot) outside Abbey Road studio, after a Piper session, together with co-manager Andrew King and a female fan. Shots of the group's psychedelic tour van, in the studio car park, are also included. It has been rumoured that colour film of the group's EMI contract-signing remains locked in a vault, but like so much of the early footage, it's never been screened. 24.6.67: Percy The Ratcatcher (feature film) Widely reported in the music press on this date was Pink Floyd's aborted film, "The Life Story Of Percy The Ratcatcher". The project disappeared without trace, as did another project called "Rollo" - a proposed Floyd cartoon series. 29.4.67: Fanclub (Dutch TV) This recording for Dutch TV has never surfaced. The band flew back to England tje same day to perform at the 14 Hour Technicolor Dream. 29.4.67: 14 Hour Technicolor Dream (BBC-2) The infamous "International Times" benefit concert at Alexandra Palace in north London, this show featured a cast of thousands! Supposedly filmed in it's entirety, the only lengthy footage ever seen was shot by Peter Whitehead, and included on the "Pink Floyd 1966-67" video -- and that doesn't even feature the band! Meanwhile, the BBC filmed the event and even dedicated a whole programme to it ("Man Alive" -- "What Is A Happening?" 17.5.67), and footage was syndicated to a number of foreign TV stations including "Bouton Rouge" (French TV; 2.12.67) 14.5.67: Look of the Week (alias "Late Night Up")(BBC-2) This trendy late-night arts programme had already an entire show to the subject of psychedelia. In an effort to keep abreast of fashion, the producers offered the Floyd their first live nationwide exposure, after witnessing the group's landmark "Games For May" event, staged two days earlier at the Queen Elizabeth Hall. The Floyd opened the programme with a brief Pow R Toc H and popped up later in a classic piece of television farce, when they were patronised by critic Dr. Hans Keller. After a live Astronomy Domine he engaged Waters and Barett in an unintentionally hilarious discussion regarding their music and its visual presentation ("But why does it all have to be so loud"). Both songs, and part of the interview, have been repeated over the years, most notably on Show 8 of BBC-2's excellent 'Sound Of The Sixties" series in November 1991. A large portion was also used in Channel 4's "TV Heaven -- 1967" in 1992. But the first repeat actually came on the Italian TV station Rai Uno in the mid-80s. 6.67: The Scarecrow (Pathe newsreel) Pathe shot a surreal, three-minute colour film of the group goofing around in the Suffolk countryside. This film, complete with its "two farmers and their mullards" introduction (!), is generally in wide circulation. 6.7/13.7/20.7.67: Top Of The Pops (BBC-1) Riding high in the charts with See emily Play, Pink Floyd finally qualified for a place on "TOTP". Tragically, the BBC apparently managed to wipe the footage in 1972/1973, when they moved their archives to Brentford and apparently dumped two out of every three "TOTP" shows. Floyd performed live on three successive shows, and each time Syd Barrett appearing more dishevelled, finally complaing that if John Lennon didn't have to appear on the show, then why should he? To everyone's dismay, not even pirate copies of these shows have surfacedm although at least one is said to exist in the States. Photos like the splendid colour shot on the Barrett "Unforgotten Hero" bootleg remain the only documentation of these events. 9.7.67: The Roundhouse, Chalk Farm, London According to Miles "Visional Documentary" book, this gig was filmed for BBC-2, but nothing has been broadcasted, or is even rumoured to exist, to prove it. 17.7.67: Come Her Often? (Rediffusion TV) Rediffusion TV made a 30-minute documentary about DJ Mike Quinnin of the Tiles Club in Oxford Street, London. It is believed Pink Floyd footage was included in the show, performed on 16th June. 19.7.67: Floral Hall, Norfolk (BBC TV) A local newspaper clipping states that a BBC News film crew were present at this show, but nothing has yet sufaced. 1/2.8.67: German TV Floyd were filmed on these dates for an unknown German TV show. 10-13.9.67: Scandinavia Pink Floyd apparently made several TV appearances in Denmark and Sweden during this brief visit. 18.9.67: Belgian TV Nothing concrete is known about the Belgian "TV Spectular" based around Pink Floyd, reported in the music press at the time. 17-20.67: German/Belgian TV The 7th October edition of "NME" reported that Floyd would be appearing on TV in these countries, as well on Dutch TV between 8th-12th November. Nothing more is known about these shows. 5.11.67: Pat Boone Show (CBS-TV, USA) This is the most fanous early Floyd TV appearance, even though it's never been since its original broadcast. Pink Floyd head off to the States for a November tour, which was a disaster from the word go, with several dates cancelled and rescheduled due to to late arrival of of permits. Syd Barrett, suffering from what was later described as nervous exhaustion, failed to perform to any consistent standard, and the band were recalled to England. On this occasion, Barrett stared blankly at Boone during a Q&A session and later remained motionless as they mimed See Emily Play, his arms hanging limply by his side as he refused to mouth the words. Roger Waters spared Boone's embarrassment by stepping up to the mike. 6.11.67: American Bandstand (ABC-TV, USA) This second American TV performance followed the format of the previous day's show. After minming to See Emily Play the group participated in an insane Q&A session with host Dick Clark. This was followed by a mimed performance of their latest single, Apples And Oranges. A poor quality B&W film of the latter song has recently surfacedm but the rest of the show remains unseen since its original transmission. The visual evidence of Syd's wasted stat confirms that his days with the band indeed were numbered. 25.11.67: Opera House, Blackpool (BBC TV) A camera crew showed up for this Hendrix/Move/Floyd/Nice package tour date, ostensibly to film Hendrix for a forthcoming Track Records feature. Whether director Peter Neal shot footage of the other acts is open to conjecture.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Sept 21, 2013 22:27:08 GMT
Wow. Would love to see the Arnold Layne clip. I temember seeing Syds first trip many years ago on VHS. Probably one of the first 'collector circuit ' films I ever saw.
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Post by Alan Turrell on Sept 21, 2013 22:54:35 GMT
The clip that really mystifies me and the one i would dearly love to see is the See Emily Play Performance from The Pat Boone Show i wonder what happened to this clip is it still around somewhere did they actually perform it on the show is it wiped i just wonder where it is maybe one day it might turn up.
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