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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 13:21:21 GMT
ps.........don't seem to recall Tony Burrows getting banned from TOTP either. I do remember the week he was on three (or was it four) times though. Edison Lighthouse. Pipkins. Brotherhood of Man. Was there one other too? The ban was "unofficial" - seem to be conflicting versions of what happened with some sources saying he was banned then allowed to return as part of Pipkins whereas I think the Pipkins disc was the straw that broke the camels back since he had been on almost every week as part of Edison Lighthouse, Brotherhood of Man and White Plains, so for a fourth one to come along and Burrows showing up, the story I read went that he did the show and was summoned to a BBC office afterwards where he was informed he would no longer be allowed to appear on the show since it was looking "suspicious" him being part of various different acts. I read that on a site about Tony three or four years ago. Anybody able to clarify this further?
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Post by Liam Joseph on Jul 18, 2013 13:36:06 GMT
The ban was "unofficial" - seem to be conflicting versions of what happened with some sources saying he was banned then allowed to return as part of Pipkins whereas I think the Pipkins disc was the straw that broke the camels back since he had been on almost every week as part of Edison Lighthouse, Brotherhood of Man and White Plains, so for a fourth one to come along and Burrows showing up, the story I read went that he did the show and was summoned to a BBC office afterwards where he was informed he would no longer be allowed to appear on the show since it was looking "suspicious" him being part of various different acts. I read that on a site about Tony three or four years ago. Anybody able to clarify this further? That's pretty much what I've heard. I'm sure I saw an interview with Tony where he said it had damaged his career as he'd subsequently had other records that could have been hits but he wasn't allowed on the show to promote them. Presumably he didn't appear with The First Class when Beach Baby was a hit?
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Post by richardwoods on Jul 18, 2013 13:36:27 GMT
ps.........don't seem to recall Tony Burrows getting banned from TOTP either. I do remember the week he was on three (or was it four) times though. Edison Lighthouse. Pipkins. Brotherhood of Man. Was there one other too? The ban was "unofficial" - seem to be conflicting versions of what happened with some sources saying he was banned then allowed to return as part of Pipkins whereas I think the Pipkins disc was the straw that broke the camels back since he had been on almost every week as part of Edison Lighthouse, Brotherhood of Man and White Plains, so for a fourth one to come along and Burrows showing up, the story I read went that he did the show and was summoned to a BBC office afterwards where he was informed he would no longer be allowed to appear on the show since it was looking "suspicious" him being part of various different acts. I read that on a site about Tony three or four years ago. Anybody able to clarify this further? I remember hearing a radio interview with Tony sometime ago and you've got it covered. I believe he was allowed back on a one act per program basis after this.
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Post by robchapman on Jul 18, 2013 13:57:35 GMT
Ah yes - memory jolt - White Plains. Thank you. Probably the best 'group' of the lot of them.
The unofficial 'ban' probably cost him the solo hits then. My Melanie etc, despite being played to death on RNI and Radio One. Having said that someones probably going to tell me it was number one in Finland and Swaziland now.
On the subject of unofficial bans I have a classic BBC internal memo somewhere where they banned the use of the word banned. Just say 'not to be played' it says!
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Post by richardwoods on Jul 18, 2013 16:52:58 GMT
Ah yes - memory jolt - White Plains. Thank you. Probably the best 'group' of the lot of them. The unofficial 'ban' probably cost him the solo hits then. My Melanie etc, despite being played to death on RNI and Radio One. Having said that someones probably going to tell me it was number one in Finland and Swaziland now. On the subject of unofficial bans I have a classic BBC internal memo somewhere where they banned the use of the word banned. Just say 'not to be played' it says! Ah, RNI, what a truly great Radio Station.
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Post by robchapman on Jul 18, 2013 17:08:41 GMT
RNI. Don't get me started! Actually feel free to get me started. I was 16 in 1970 and to me it was the second (and last?) great wave of offshore pirate radio. A bit off topic I suppose for this thread but they did play lots of the records being mentioned here including Umbopo!
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Post by richardwoods on Jul 18, 2013 17:39:38 GMT
In fact Andrew Austin, founder RNI DJ is broadcasting his show on Caroline as I write this. Takes you back.
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Post by robchapman on Jul 18, 2013 18:25:55 GMT
whatever fine work mister austin does now he was not an original RNI dj, or any kind of offshore RNI dj at all as far as I'm aware, not during 1970-74 at any rate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 19:24:26 GMT
I do remember the week he was on three (or was it four) times though. Edison Lighthouse. Pipkins. Brotherhood of Man. This is just an urban myth that gets repeated over and over. He never appeared three times on the same edition of TOTP. Twice yes, but never three times. Even wikipedia has corrected this (former) error now.
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Post by richardwoods on Jul 18, 2013 19:42:09 GMT
whatever fine work mister austin does now he was not an original RNI dj, or any kind of offshore RNI dj at all as far as I'm aware, not during 1970-74 at any rate. Apologies for a failing memory, confusing him with Andy Archer
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Post by richardwoods on Jul 18, 2013 19:54:05 GMT
Still a good show though, just played some Vinegar Joe.
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Post by Liam Joseph on Jul 18, 2013 20:11:08 GMT
Sorry going off topic from Vanity Fair again. Tony Burrows mentioned in an interview that he recorded the original version of Home Lovin Man, which was subsequently given to Andy Williams. I've always loved this song and would be fascinated to hear Tony's version.
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Post by Richard Marple on Jul 18, 2013 20:12:28 GMT
TV Cream used to have a very amusing profile of RNI, especially how some shady Dutch shareholder nearly electrocuted himself in a very painful wasy trying to take it off air.
I've heard of some early editions of TOTP having odd lineups for bands, due to members getting lost on the way to Rusholme & people from other groups filling in.
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Post by robchapman on Jul 18, 2013 21:06:41 GMT
I do remember the week he was on three (or was it four) times though. Edison Lighthouse. Pipkins. Brotherhood of Man. This is just an urban myth that gets repeated over and over. He never appeared three times on the same edition of TOTP. Twice yes, but never three times. Even wikipedia has corrected this (former) error now. Hmmm I'm going to check this out. I'm pretty sure it was big news when it happened (in the pop press at least) william where are you now we need you to fact check? Even Wikipedia eh? The font of all truth and wisdom.
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Post by Tony Walshaw on Jul 19, 2013 8:08:21 GMT
I understand Tony Burrows was also the singer on Butterscotch's top 20 hit of 1970, 'Don't You Know', as well.
It is not surprising really that TOTP took action regarding Tony Burrows. The viewers don't really know who performs their music. The re-appearances of Tony Burrows must have confused them. Thinking about it now, did common management handle all of his activities. Or was he just hired independently for each singing job?
In the world of pop music, it was common for session musicians to plod away, and different faces to 'front' the records. Surely, other people could have been brought in to perform some of Tony's contributions to TOTP? Or would this have contravened the union/miming rules?
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