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Post by Robert Mammone on Mar 29, 2016 23:21:18 GMT
Another snippet of information about Australian programme distribution I've remembered. Until 1962 there were no video recorders in Perth for recording or playback. The very first machine, now in a museum, was specially brought in for the 1962 Commonwealth Games so highlights could be replayed at short notice. Programmes sent to Perth would have had to be on film until there were a couple of machines permanently set up for broadcasting, and that might have been some years down the track considering how expensive they were. My friend Warwick (ex-ABC) actually mentioned the Commonwealth games and tapes. I will follow up on that in regards to Perth. He seemed to think WA and SA are the best places to look. Though there is a ex Sydney based ABC person (who spearheaded an archiving initiative) who I am trying to contact. Any update on anything you've mentioned you were checking on this thread, Marty?
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Post by Hugh Pearson on Mar 30, 2016 21:59:00 GMT
Not from me except to provide some additional info on the subject. Some prints were made in Canada by the CBC. Remember though, only the first 5 serials were purchased and shown in Canada in the 60s. No, don't get started on that old rumour now Randy Howell has researched this and collaborated with Jon Preddle to provide the information on BroaDWcast -> gallifreybase.com/w/index.php/Kinescopes_Canada
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Post by stephenwit1 on Mar 31, 2016 16:05:52 GMT
I still think it is pretty odd that MARCO POLO hasn't turned up. Since that copy was bought around the world.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Mar 31, 2016 21:01:52 GMT
I still think it is pretty odd that MARCO POLO hasn't turned up. Since that copy was bought around the world. 23 countries aired Marco Polo. Those same 23 also aired An Unearthly Child, The Daleks, Inside the Spaceship and The Keys of Marinus. To cover the film bicycling there were probably no more than 10 prints of each story in circulation. 260 film prints in total. The odds on any of the copies of Marco needed to cover all those countries turning up are exactly the same for the other 19 episodes in that grouping. And yet very few of those have ever turned up. IIRC, only two episodes of Keys of Marinus have turned up overseas, while a print of ep 1 of An Unearthly Child, a spare of Daleks ep 5, and both eps of Spaceship have been found in the possession of collectors in the UK (the origins of those four are unknown). That's only six prints out of the 260. That's a return of less than 3% of the total number of prints. And that assumes they are all returned ex-broadcast prints. They might not be, which reduces the return percentage even further. However if multiple copies of those 19 had been turning up over the years, then yes, it would be very odd that Marco hadn't also been recovered. But from a statistical point of view, no, it's not really that odd that at least one print from Marco hasn't turned up, given that so very few of the other 254 have also been found.
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Post by George D on Apr 1, 2016 18:43:37 GMT
It's really surprising so few film prints showed from the first year. One might also argue the amount of historical prints are less than the sf.
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Apr 3, 2016 3:04:46 GMT
IIRC, only two episodes of Keys of Marinus have turned up overseas, while a print of ep 1 of An Unearthly Child, a spare of Daleks ep 5, and both eps of Spaceship have been found in the possession of collectors in the UK (the origins of those four are unknown). That's only six prints out of the 260. That's a return of less than 3% of the total number of prints. And that assumes they are all returned ex-broadcast prints. They might not be, which reduces the return percentage even further. However if multiple copies of those 19 had been turning up over the years, then yes, it would be very odd that Marco hadn't also been recovered. But from a statistical point of view, no, it's not really that odd that at least one print from Marco hasn't turned up, given that so very few of the other 254 have also been found. Thanks for that, Jon, that kind of detail is what really helps with perspective.
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Post by George D on Apr 3, 2016 16:24:07 GMT
Weren't there existing a bunch of Spanish prints?
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Post by davidstead on Apr 3, 2016 17:43:25 GMT
Yes Mexico had most of the first season (and probably still have) in spanish on 16mm. Though not Marco Polo. I recovered part 3 of Planet of Giants in Spanish as well, so there must have been a fair few spanish and arabic ones made.
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Apr 5, 2016 18:14:24 GMT
Yes Mexico had most of the first season (and probably still have) in spanish on 16mm. Though not Marco Polo. I recovered part 3 of Planet of Giants in Spanish as well, so there must have been a fair few spanish and arabic ones made. Thank you for your recovery of missing epodes, David! I don't suppose, by any chance, you also recovered a Spanish-language print of Planet of Giants episode 4? That would have been particularly impressive!
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Post by davidstead on Apr 5, 2016 18:44:13 GMT
Thanks for that Douglas,
Actually I recall Ian levine was desperate to see the episode in case it ended on a cliffhanger..lol!
I just feel very fortunate to have recovered all the Archive TV that I have over the years. xx
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Apr 6, 2016 5:46:31 GMT
Thanks for that Douglas, Actually I recall Ian levine was desperate to see the episode in case it ended on a cliffhanger..lol! I just feel very fortunate to have recovered all the Archive TV that I have over the years. xx I'm sure it's been clarified elsewhere, but was that print of Faceless Ones 3 that you got from that batch of Australian episodes apparently sent back to the UK in 1975? Or was it perhaps not clear where the print was from?
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Post by davidstead on Apr 6, 2016 6:26:13 GMT
It was my friend Gordon (Hendry) who recovered the Faceless ones ep 3 and he bought it along with Evil 2, from a car boot sale, so we can't be certain.
Wheel 3 is also unlikely as the film collector I got it from (along with The Dominators Ep & Crisis Ep)had them since around 1973.
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Post by RWels on Apr 6, 2016 6:48:59 GMT
IIRC, only two episodes of Keys of Marinus have turned up overseas, while a print of ep 1 of An Unearthly Child, a spare of Daleks ep 5, and both eps of Spaceship have been found in the possession of collectors in the UK (the origins of those four are unknown). That's only six prints out of the 260. That's a return of less than 3% of the total number of prints. And that assumes they are all returned ex-broadcast prints. They might not be, which reduces the return percentage even further. However if multiple copies of those 19 had been turning up over the years, then yes, it would be very odd that Marco hadn't also been recovered. But from a statistical point of view, no, it's not really that odd that at least one print from Marco hasn't turned up, given that so very few of the other 254 have also been found. Thanks for that, Jon, that kind of detail is what really helps with perspective. And of course, as others have said before, the highly unlikely have been found as well, i.e. Master Plan. So that cancels each other out in a way.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Apr 6, 2016 18:49:45 GMT
Thanks for that, Jon, that kind of detail is what really helps with perspective. And of course, as others have said before, the highly unlikely have been found as well, i.e. Master Plan. So that cancels each other out in a way. That would only be true if the sales history of Marco and Master Plan were identical in every way. They weren't, so a different outcome is only expected.
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Post by RWels on Apr 6, 2016 19:02:51 GMT
And of course, as others have said before, the highly unlikely have been found as well, i.e. Master Plan. So that cancels each other out in a way. That would only be true if the sales history of Marco and Master Plan were identical in every way. They weren't, so a different outcome is only expected. ...and in one case the outcome is better than might be expected, and in the other it's less. So that still cancels each other out in a way.
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