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Post by Arthur Chim on Aug 2, 2013 10:21:22 GMT
Of interest also was that he reckoned that they copied onto quad not u-matic up until the early 80s. Hi Marty It has been reported recently that ABC Ripponlea studios in Elsternwick (Melbourne) is to close. Would they have a film library that has yet to be cleared out, could there be some long forgotten film reels there?
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Post by Marty Schultz on Aug 2, 2013 10:34:21 GMT
Yes. It's moving. (I don't work at the ABC). Sydney and Melbourne were the two major studios that most of the traffic went through so the chances of a quad tape not being used are slim. The last time I was at tapes in Sydney was ? 2008- they were digitally archiving their stuff then so I think they would have found something by now. The places if anything exists are a bit more off the beaten track. My ex-archives mate made some suggestions on where to look BUT he also said that such tapes typically end up in the hands of collectors. It's been a LONG time since quads were used in OZ but having said that I've seen boxes of used u-matics lying about the backs of regional stations etc
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Post by Arthur Chim on Aug 2, 2013 10:40:52 GMT
Yes, they re-used quad tapes. That's how much of the early years of Countdown (Aussie version of TOTP) are now missing. Sorry, I've digressed from the topic.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Aug 2, 2013 10:46:23 GMT
Yes, they re-used quad tapes. That's how much of the early years of Countdown (Aussie version of TOTP) are now missing. Indeed. Poor countdown. :-( That's another show worth looking for. Rage has played quite a bit of the stuff still left - which is cool.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Aug 3, 2013 1:30:14 GMT
I saw the loading bay at ABC Perth in 1983, and there were shelves full of large video reels in blue plastic boxes. So TV programmes were still being distributed on tape into the Eighties. But a couple of Sixties ABC programmes that had been left behind in the Film Department were 16mm telerecordings. The ABC were still copying their video-recorded shows to 16mm in the early 70s. Was this for distribution, I wonder?
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Post by Arthur Chim on Aug 3, 2013 9:49:53 GMT
Perhaps the cost 2" quad tape was still very high so to re-use them the ABC tele-recorded programmes to 16mm film. Music shows like Hit Scene and GTK from the early 70's were more than likely recorded on video tape but repeat screenings of episodes on Rage, it is apparent that programmes were transferred to 16mm film at some point as the picture quality displays scratches and dirt. Also, there is that tell tale circle in the corner of the screen seconds before the end the show.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Aug 3, 2013 11:37:26 GMT
I saw the loading bay at ABC Perth in 1983, and there were shelves full of large video reels in blue plastic boxes. So TV programmes were still being distributed on tape into the Eighties. But a couple of Sixties ABC programmes that had been left behind in the Film Department were 16mm telerecordings. The ABC were still copying their video-recorded shows to 16mm in the early 70s. Was this for distribution, I wonder? I will ask however he was pretty clear that the vast majority of stuff was quad. Even ABC stuff in the 70s (he also worked in CCU) that he requested for his showreel etc. had been wiped.
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Post by John Endicott on Aug 3, 2013 13:16:30 GMT
Of course there is always the possibility of a dodgy engineer with a clandestine operation making his own recordings to sell on, but you have to remember the time which this took place (presumably you are thinking of the Hartnell/Troughton/Pertwee era? ) Television was very much 'here today gone tomorrow' amongst the mentality of the population they were not that interested in seeing things again because exiting new stuff was coming along all the time. IE you would not want go back to Pertwee once you had seen Baker and so on.. That may have been the mentality of the population of the UK, elsewhere in the world, however, was a different story. the 8mm off-airs are believed to be from repeat showings from down under, for example. In the 60s and 70s, there was a large number of UHF stations whose bread and butter was repeating shows made in the 50s and 60s over and over again (shame they never picked up Doctor Who back then).
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Post by robertboon on Aug 7, 2013 0:46:46 GMT
Is there any possibility that Rhodesia to get round sanctions after declaring UDI in 1965 went in for the illegal copying and acquisition of television programmes? John Maltas was a major figure in Rhodesian sanctions busting but was also on the board of Rhodesia Television Limited. When he died in 1995, his son (also John Maltas) included in a eulogy at the funeral the following: At the end of 1963 the Central African Federation was disbanded and the Rhodesian Government appointed Dad to be Chairman of the national Export Council. Little did we know how exciting that job would become in the intervening years. At this time the Rhodesian Government was negotiating with the British government for independence and these negotiations broke down in 1965. On the 11th November 1965 Rhodesia unilaterally declared its independence and the United Nations applied sanctions. Dad was tasked with breaching these sanctions and achieved high success on the oil front. I had been transferred from the military to the Prime Minister's Office in an intelligence role and Dad and I had many interesting conversations. He left on numerous clandestine missions to Europe and he worked hard for his country at this time. In 1971 he was awarded the Independence Commemorative Decoration (ICD) for his services rendered to Rhodesia. He was also appointed to the board of the Rhodesia Television Limited. Operating a national TV network facinated him and he had a major input into the type of programmes that should be transmitted to the viewing public.
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Post by richardwoods on Aug 7, 2013 6:20:36 GMT
Is there any possibility that Rhodesia to get round sanctions after declaring UDI in 1965 went in for the illegal copying and acquisition of television programmes? John Maltas was a major figure in Rhodesian sanctions busting but was also on the board of Rhodesia Television Limited. When he died in 1995, his son (also John Maltas) included in a eulogy at the funeral the following: At the end of 1963 the Central African Federation was disbanded and the Rhodesian Government appointed Dad to be Chairman of the national Export Council. Little did we know how exciting that job would become in the intervening years. At this time the Rhodesian Government was negotiating with the British government for independence and these negotiations broke down in 1965. On the 11th November 1965 Rhodesia unilaterally declared its independence and the United Nations applied sanctions. Dad was tasked with breaching these sanctions and achieved high success on the oil front. I had been transferred from the military to the Prime Minister's Office in an intelligence role and Dad and I had many interesting conversations. He left on numerous clandestine missions to Europe and he worked hard for his country at this time. In 1971 he was awarded the Independence Commemorative Decoration (ICD) for his services rendered to Rhodesia. He was also appointed to the board of the Rhodesia Television Limited. Operating a national TV network facinated him and he had a major input into the type of programmes that should be transmitted to the viewing public. Hi Robert, funny how things happen, I mentioned this possibility in the recent Film Prints in South Africa thread as a possible source of 16mm films of British Programming being viewed domestically in South Africa before their TV started in 1975 as it would have been away around the cultural boycott. Would be interested what your thoughts are on this.
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Post by richardwoods on Aug 7, 2013 6:23:47 GMT
Sorry the thread is titled off air recording in South Africa
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Post by Sue Butcher on Aug 15, 2013 13:18:33 GMT
Another snippet of information about Australian programme distribution I've remembered. Until 1962 there were no video recorders in Perth for recording or playback. The very first machine, now in a museum, was specially brought in for the 1962 Commonwealth Games so highlights could be replayed at short notice. Programmes sent to Perth would have had to be on film until there were a couple of machines permanently set up for broadcasting, and that might have been some years down the track considering how expensive they were.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Aug 16, 2013 0:52:22 GMT
Another snippet of information about Australian programme distribution I've remembered. Until 1962 there were no video recorders in Perth for recording or playback. The very first machine, now in a museum, was specially brought in for the 1962 Commonwealth Games so highlights could be replayed at short notice. Programmes sent to Perth would have had to be on film until there were a couple of machines permanently set up for broadcasting, and that might have been some years down the track considering how expensive they were. My friend Warwick (ex-ABC) actually mentioned the Commonwealth games and tapes. I will follow up on that in regards to Perth. He seemed to think WA and SA are the best places to look. Though there is a ex Sydney based ABC person (who spearheaded an archiving initiative) who I am trying to contact.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Aug 16, 2013 0:59:58 GMT
While I'm about - Does anyone know of any web sites etc regarding lost aussie tv? E.g.countdown etc
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Post by Sue Butcher on Aug 16, 2013 7:32:29 GMT
Try "Countdownmemories". It covers Australian music shows.
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