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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 0:09:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 0:16:08 GMT
Go to the link on the top. It looks the rumor has finally come to an end sadly!
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Post by Paul McDermott on Jun 20, 2013 0:26:02 GMT
Be nice if it was true, but I think a certain gentleman's Twitter feed is not helping...  The link is basically a pared down restating of the guts of articles linked on the forum already. In short, there's no news because there's no news. Hardly front page stuff, and what you'd expect the Beeb to reluctantly have to come out and say, given the frenzy. Interestingly, the Wales Online piece is still gone since it vanished soon after going up. My guess is it got spiked for not going through proper channels, aside from the errors. In short, you can't report on what isn't there. Of course a 24 hour news cycle driven is often driven by other forces than that!  |
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Post by Alex Dering on Jun 20, 2013 0:40:48 GMT
And we come to the nub of it.
If the episodes have been located, the BBC might have some very good reasons for not "leaking" it. Main of those: it's their show (pun intended). I think Dr. Who will be the first show to make it to 50 years (and still being produced). Maybe, the BBC is simply not willing to give up the ceremony of the whole thing just to answer some pestering fans "demands" that they have a "right" to know every damned little thing.
Quite simply, unless the BBC says something like, "Yes, yes, alright. We can't keep it a secret anymore," we won't know for sure until the 50th anniversary. So let's accept that. Jelly babies for all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 0:49:45 GMT
And we come to the nub of it. If the episodes have been located, the BBC might have some very good reasons for not "leaking" it. Main of those: it's their show (pun intended). I think Dr. Who will be the first show to make it to 50 years (and still being produced). Maybe, the BBC is simply not willing to give up the ceremony of the whole thing just to answer some pestering fans "demands" that they have a "right" to know every damned little thing. Quite simply, unless the BBC says something like, "Yes, yes, alright. We can't keep it a secret anymore," we won't know for sure until the 50th anniversary. So let's accept that. Jelly babies for all. But they might save It for the Missing Believed Wiped Event? |
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Post by Paul McDermott on Jun 20, 2013 0:59:35 GMT
Can't we know for sure? I think we can, based on what information we currently have to hand, right now.
Bleeding Cool's pieces are hardly proof positive of anything, and IL's Twitter feed doubly so. There's absolutely nothing else.
However, there's a lot of loose talk about, and no solid grounds for supposing any of it has a basis in fact.
Elsewhere I've seen claims regarding this "story" that sound too barmy for words so I've not mentioned them.
Moreover, as has been mentioned here by people with unassailable credentials, this sort of thing is exactly contrary to what must surely be our desired goal - the expeditious search for rare or missing material of any stripe, Who or otherwise.
That ought to matter to some folk more than it currently appears to.
Some people will accept they've been told all they can be told for now because there's nothing else to know.
Others will be convinced that there's more than that, without any evidence for doing so, because wooly thinking is very comfortable when worn next to the skin. Same as it ever was, I think.
Hopefully the frenzy will die down sooner rather than later.
Meantime, fingers crossed that the people doing the vital and difficult work in hunting for, securing and preserving lost works don't get fed up beyond words and bugger off to Portmeirion, metaphorically speaking.
We need them and their efforts a lot more than this!
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Post by WSSharpe on Jun 20, 2013 1:59:39 GMT
And we come to the nub of it. If the episodes have been located, the BBC might have some very good reasons for not "leaking" it. Main of those: it's their show (pun intended). I think Dr. Who will be the first show to make it to 50 years (and still being produced). Maybe, the BBC is simply not willing to give up the ceremony of the whole thing just to answer some pestering fans "demands" that they have a "right" to know every damned little thing. Quite simply, unless the BBC says something like, "Yes, yes, alright. We can't keep it a secret anymore," we won't know for sure until the 50th anniversary. So let's accept that. Jelly babies for all. BBC show, maybe. Coronation Street has been running since 1960. |
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Post by George D on Jun 20, 2013 2:36:02 GMT
Haven't shared my thoughts yet on this rumor. Hopefully its not out of place to talk openly about things.
Up until recently I have felt it;s not true. Yet fandom appears to believe it and certain circumstantial events have caused me to consider the possibility.
When I read the link of the BBC response, all the link is saying is they can't confirm the find. For me, that simply is too vague. Maybe they cant confirm because its not the right time.. or maybe because there is no find or a return hasn't taken place yet.
With the level that the rumor has reached, I think it will take a statement from Philip Morris denying it where the denial would include a suitable explanation of the manifest to put this on ice.
Please dont get me wrong. I'm not believing the rumor and I understand that the leaking of the rumor might not have been helpful if there truly was a recovery in progress. But if there truly was nothing to this, I'm wondering if the lack of transparency of completed leads has caused this to get out of hand.
Unfortunately vague answers and removing treads (such as the removal of the tie enterprises tread by Paul here a while back) and mysteries of the proof of SL creates questions.
So for the time being, my current thought is that somewhere in the world there are missing episodes.. could be two.. could be the unbelievable 90.. but nothing yet is officially returned and/or negotiated to the point where announcement can be made.
I've been disappointed many times this year by rumors (such as a multi-dr anniversary story) but while we really want things to be true, our thoughts are not going to help, and my belief is if they are found, leave it alone and let them do what they do best. If its not, dont get your hopes up.
Let;s not pass judgement positive or negative and let's see what happens.
Im hoping those in the know, simply do the right thing.
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Post by Paul McDermott on Jun 20, 2013 2:48:33 GMT
Hail Sutekh, last of the Osirans!
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Jun 20, 2013 3:16:29 GMT
Go to the link on the top. It looks the rumor has finally come to an end sadly! Nothing has come to an end yet happily. This terse statement just says that they cannot confirm any new finds. That could mean that they are not in a legal or business position to issue confirmation of any new finds right now. “To confirm” is just “to say.” This could mean that they cannot say anything about any new finds. The sentence is compatible with there not being any new finds as well as compatible with there being new finds that they are not in a position to disclose at the moment. The terseness of the statement implies that they want to say as little as possible about the matter right now. When pressed, the spokeswoman came out with “I don't think so” and “Not as far as we know,” but either those were not deft non-committal answer or there is some explanation about who knows what about this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 3:22:22 GMT
Go to the link on the top. It looks the rumor has finally come to an end sadly! Nothing has come to an end yet happily. This terse statement just says that they cannot confirm any new finds. That could mean that they are not in a legal or business position to issue confirmation of any new finds right now. “To confirm” is just “to say.” This could mean that they cannot say anything about any new finds. The sentence is compatible with there not being any new finds as well as compatible with there being new finds that they are not in a position to disclose at the moment. The terseness of the statement implies that they want to say as little as possible about the matter right now. Oh I hope your right. We have to have at least 1 missing episode turn up at least. And if one does then i would prefer a Troughton story and if not then I hope it at least from The Dalek Master Plan, Mission To The Unknown or The Tenth Planet episode 4! I would even be happy if it an episode from Space Pirates! |
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Post by Paul McDermott on Jun 20, 2013 3:23:00 GMT
Look! Look at the honeycomb!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 3:24:24 GMT
Go to the link on the top. It looks the rumor has finally come to an end sadly! I figure the last people in the BBC who would be told something was recovered would be the PR department at BBC Worldwide. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 3:27:59 GMT
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Post by Paul McDermott on Jun 20, 2013 3:32:16 GMT
A fan press article that says nothing new. The only thing "missing" in this story is the evidence. Hopefully the coverage in RT and the retracted article at Wales Online is the last we'll see of this in the wider media. |
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