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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 16:48:27 GMT
I've often imagined that when incomplete serials such as 'The Ice Warriors', 'The Reign of Terror' and 'The Tenth Planet' where released on VHS and latterly on DVD that rather than these being only partially complete they where the full and restored serials.
This got me looking at the shape of the number of missing episodes and it occurred to me that if 'Marco Polo' was found in its entirety which considering all the foreign countries it was sold to it should have been and also along with it "The Tyrant of France" and "A Bargain of Necessity" where also found then the first season of the show would be accounted for and complete.
Also when "The Lion" was found I remember feeling quite frustrated that it was only one episode and not all the remaining missing episodes because this would have completed the second season which like the first season would then completely exist in its entirety.
That got me thinking about all these nagging incomplete serials which have had episodes found in recent years and now have more than two episodes which exist and I thought wouldn't it have been better if it wasn't just a single episode for instance 'Air Lock' from Galaxy Four but if it had been all the missing episodes from the serial. So by that reckoning we would have had Galaxy Four and The Underwater Menace in their entirety now. And I've always liked to imagine that both The Ice Warriors and The Invasion where completely intact and also that episode four of The Tenth Planet had also been recovered at some-point and maybe even The Moonbase.
So if all the first two seasons of the show existed in their entirety and all these niggling partially incomplete serials where restored then the list of missing episodes would not only look a lot neater but also be down to around 80 in number. All this is just idle fantasy of course but does anyone else here wish that the list of missing episodes looked differently not of course meaning that they are all found but rather certain serials such as 'Marco Polo' should have been found and serials such as 'The Invasion' should at least be complete?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 17:55:24 GMT
On the plus side, this does mean that when a complete story was due for destruction it's easier for a stray episode to have been overlooked and left on the shelf (or "borrowed" - imagine trying to fit 6 (or 12) joined-together films cans under your jacket  ) Oh you'd just need a very large coat with a trolley discreetly hidden under it... didn't this occur to anyone back in the 70s? I would have liked at the very least serials such as 'The Ice Warriors' and 'The Invasion' to have come back complete and the fourth episode of 'The Tenth Planet'. |
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Post by WSSharpe on Jun 18, 2013 18:19:42 GMT
On the plus side, this does mean that when a complete story was due for destruction it's easier for a stray episode to have been overlooked and left on the shelf (or "borrowed" - imagine trying to fit 6 (or 12) joined-together films cans under your jacket ) Oh you'd just need a very large coat with a trolley discreetly hidden under it... didn't this occur to anyone back in the 70s? I would have liked at the very least serials such as 'The Ice Warriors' and 'The Invasion' to have come back complete and the fourth episode of 'The Tenth Planet'. Funny thing is, I don't even think of The Invasion as being incomplete any more because of the fantastic animation. I think that is definitely the way to go, so the episodes I would like to see found would be ones that would move a story closer to an animated finish, like episode two of Underwater Menace did. So maybe an episode of Celestial Toymaker or a couple of episodes of the Wheel in Space would be high on my list, if not a completely lost story turning up in full. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 19:09:09 GMT
Oh you'd just need a very large coat with a trolley discreetly hidden under it... didn't this occur to anyone back in the 70s? I would have liked at the very least serials such as 'The Ice Warriors' and 'The Invasion' to have come back complete and the fourth episode of 'The Tenth Planet'. Funny thing is, I don't even think of The Invasion as being incomplete any more because of the fantastic animation. I think that is definitely the way to go, so the episodes I would like to see found would be ones that would move a story closer to an animated finish, like episode two of Underwater Menace did. So maybe an episode of Celestial Toymaker or a couple of episodes of the Wheel in Space would be high on my list, if not a completely lost story turning up in full. Yeah I remember seeing the VHS of The Invasion in the shop many years ago and being disappointed to notice the small print where it says the story is incomplete. As for animating all remaining missing episodes it will never replace the originals but it is certainly an idea I would be in favour of providing they get the animation right. |
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Post by WSSharpe on Jun 18, 2013 21:10:27 GMT
Funny thing is, I don't even think of The Invasion as being incomplete any more because of the fantastic animation. I think that is definitely the way to go, so the episodes I would like to see found would be ones that would move a story closer to an animated finish, like episode two of Underwater Menace did. So maybe an episode of Celestial Toymaker or a couple of episodes of the Wheel in Space would be high on my list, if not a completely lost story turning up in full. Yeah I remember seeing the VHS of The Invasion in the shop many years ago and being disappointed to notice the small print where it says the story is incomplete. As for animating all remaining missing episodes it will never replace the originals but it is certainly an idea I would be in favour of providing they get the animation right. The bit of narration by Nicholas Courtney on the VHS release was woefully inadequate. He literally summed up an each lost episode in about 15 seconds. The animation and audio may be as close as we ever get to the finish product. It's enough for me to put these two episodes at the back of may wish list, along with the Reign of Terror episodes - which are not quite as well animated but better than nothing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 0:47:49 GMT
Yeah I remember seeing the VHS of The Invasion in the shop many years ago and being disappointed to notice the small print where it says the story is incomplete. As for animating all remaining missing episodes it will never replace the originals but it is certainly an idea I would be in favour of providing they get the animation right. The bit of narration by Nicholas Courtney on the VHS release was woefully inadequate. He literally summed up an each lost episode in about 15 seconds. The animation and audio may be as close as we ever get to the finish product. It's enough for me to put these two episodes at the back of may wish list, along with the Reign of Terror episodes - which are not quite as well animated but better than nothing. I haven't bought The Reign of Terror DVD yet but the animation I have seen from the snippets of the missing episodes looked quite good whereas I was slightly underwhelmed by the animation used for the Invasion but I'd have to watch it again. Personally I'd like to see an animated style which tried to capture the look of the actual episode as closely as possible and wasn't overly stylised. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 0:59:48 GMT
I agree that the Invasion should be complete. I don't really like the animation cause for one The Invasion episode 1. In the original episode Zoe was still wearing her dress she wore in the Mind Robber. She wearied it all the way till she started modeling for Isabell i think that her name and second of all the van is completely different from the original episode and so was the cloths the man was wearing.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Jun 19, 2013 2:35:15 GMT
The original episode one bothered me because it didn't finish off "Mind Robber" properly. Where had old Frank Richards got to?
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Jun 19, 2013 4:34:17 GMT
Perhaps three tons of assistance could neaten things up a good deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 4:36:58 GMT
Perhaps three tons of assistance could neaten things up a good deal. I agree |
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