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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Jun 14, 2013 4:19:02 GMT
Then again, I'm not sure everybody knows who he is. Or that he's written a Doctor Who comic book in the past. Or that posting a story he knows to be false or would endanger any possible recovery could damage any chance of writing any further Doctor projects in the future. I certainly didn't know who he was, but I highly doubt that he or anyone at DWOnline or Outpost Skaro are posting things they know are false. I think they have people who they consider reliable sources give them information that they've choosen to share. They've all cautioned that the information is not exact and may not hold water.
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Post by Martin Kinsella on Jun 14, 2013 5:56:03 GMT
Please will Paul Vanezis or someone who is properly in the know make a statement on this forum regarding this rumour. The longer this goes on, the more out of hand it will get. It will certainly harm the reputation of a lot of credible voices in the the missing episodes search if, by November, it turns out to be a cruel joke. Someone please speak up! I feel so sorry for Paul who, I am sure we all agree, does a great job. He goes on Gbase and truly debunks the rumour and fans still do not believe him or parse his words. He is in a no win situation and must be thoroughly frustrated with it all.
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Post by Martin Kinsella on Jun 14, 2013 5:56:50 GMT
I respect that many of you respect Rich Johnston. But the points of his story fly in face of what is already known about Doctor Who in Africa. Tenth Planet and Evil of the Daleks were never sold nor broadcasted on that continent. Audition prints? Sure, but that would be very surprising as most audition prints are sent to other nations soon after their rejection. Even if the episodes were in perfect condition (which I doubt), the ability for BBC to have them scanned and ready for any DVD release depends on the timing of their return. According to the various rumors, the BBC doesn't even have them yet. All Hartnells can't be found. Feast of Steven was never sold to any foreign nation. Never mind that Mission to the Unknown and Dalek's Masterplan were also never sent to Africa. This seems more like a replaying of the same rumor only with fan-fueled additions to it. Exactly how I see it especially as it was debunked by Paul on Gbase.
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Post by Tony Ingram on Jun 14, 2013 6:05:35 GMT
Quote: an eccentric engineer who worked for broadcasters across Africa??? Quote: the much touted DVD set Regenerations ... is a bluff And the clue might be, the guy is a comic Rich Johnston is not "a comic". He works as a comics journalist. Different usage of the word.
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Post by Tony Ingram on Jun 14, 2013 6:10:35 GMT
I respect that many of you respect Rich Johnston. But the points of his story fly in face of what is already known about Doctor Who in Africa. Tenth Planet and Evil of the Daleks were never sold nor broadcasted on that continent. Audition prints? Sure, but that would be very surprising as most audition prints are sent to other nations soon after their rejection. Even if the episodes were in perfect condition (which I doubt), the ability for BBC to have them scanned and ready for any DVD release depends on the timing of their return. According to the various rumors, the BBC doesn't even have them yet. All Hartnells can't be found. Feast of Steven was never sold to any foreign nation. Never mind that Mission to the Unknown and Dalek's Masterplan were also never sent to Africa. This seems more like a replaying of the same rumor only with fan-fueled additions to it. Then again, I'm not sure everybody knows who he is. Or that he's written a Doctor Who comic book in the past. Or that posting a story he knows to be false or would endanger any possible recovery could damage any chance of writing any further Doctor projects in the future. I doubt Rich is worried about this.
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Post by Tony Ingram on Jun 14, 2013 6:13:22 GMT
Then again, I'm not sure everybody knows who he is. Or that he's written a Doctor Who comic book in the past. Or that posting a story he knows to be false or would endanger any possible recovery could damage any chance of writing any further Doctor projects in the future. I certainly didn't know who he was, but I highly doubt that he or anyone at DWOnline or Outpost Skaro are posting things they know are false. I think they have people who they consider reliable sources give them information that they've choosen to share. They've all cautioned that the information is not exact and may not hold water. I'm a Mod on Outpost Skaro. And OS has deliberately adopted a policy of not adding undue fuel to the fire as far as these rumours go. There has been no report, only some discussion of the rumours, just as there has here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 6:33:15 GMT
Paul debunked this load of Bisto on Gallifrey Base a few weeks ago. Oh, for God's sake, would you stop saying 'Bisto' in every damned post?! What are you, 8 years old? I see this place hasn't changed one jot since I last bothered to look at it. If this rumour turns out to be true, the very people calling it...ahem...'Bisto'...right now will be the ones claiming they knew all along it was true. The same blind worship of self-appointed expert uberfans is in evidence also. Note that none of this gods among men had any advance warning about Galaxy 4 and Underwater Menace turning up. It is fair to say that just because [Uberfan] has pronounced on a topic, that does not mean the pronoucement is CORRECT. If any missing ep find was worth an extensive cover-up, this one would seem to be it. If it's false, then c'est la vie. If it's true, then I do not expect anyone here who dismissed it to come within 90 parsecs of admitting they were mistaken.
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Post by grantgoodman on Jun 14, 2013 7:01:31 GMT
Rich Johnson is not above hit baiting. He revels in it..
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Post by Stephen Neve on Jun 14, 2013 7:15:31 GMT
Please will Paul Vanezis or someone who is properly in the know make a statement on this forum regarding this rumour. The longer this goes on, the more out of hand it will get. It will certainly harm the reputation of a lot of credible voices in the the missing episodes search if, by November, it turns out to be a cruel joke. Someone please speak up! I feel so sorry for Paul who, I am sure we all agree, does a great job. He goes on Gbase and truly debunks the rumour and fans still do not believe him or parse his words. He is in a no win situation and must be thoroughly frustrated with it all. Paul has done no such thing. Why do you need to keep persisting on this. What he said was quite clear and there is nothing to parse. How do you debunk a rumour that says nothing has been returned to the bbc whith a response that says nothing has been returned to the bbc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 7:27:47 GMT
Before anyone mentions this, I should point out that I tried very hard to register using my real name - because I have nothing to hide, and no-one would care who I was anyway - but the truly *stupid* system this board now runs under refused to recoqnise my quite mundane monicker as an actual name. Tried six times, with six minor variants of my 100% genuine name - no dice. Insane. God, computers are stupid. Its' fault, not mine. I think I can confidently state that I'm in accord with my distant acquaintance Jon Preddle on this one - it wasn't broken, so why was it fixed? If Jon doesn't think that was his view, then I apologise to him without reservation.
Anyway, it might be an idea for all those people who are so HORRIBLY certain this new rumour is rubbish to avoid making hostages to fortune over it. Certainly, no-one will feel bad about being wrong over it, but as I said above: if any find was worth keeping under wraps until the 50th, this is it...and those being slapped down in classic Missing Episodes.com 'be silent, you grubby little peasant' fashion for thinking the rumour MAY be true will be owed apologies that no-one will even consider giving them. So, don't act like an stereotypical arrogant uberfan prat to start with, eh what? "You don't know the truth, so stop pretending you do" is good advice for BOTH sides in this faintly inane debate. The Tenth Planet DVD is no indicator of the rumour's veracity, as some claim, for the simple reason that Part 4 may not be among the episodes recovered. The delay in bringing out Underwater Menace #2 is no bellweather, either, as it's quite likely that the Beeb want to animate the two missing(?) segments and sell us Part 3 all over again within a new release. We will know in a few months either way. Debate til then is *desperately* pointless, and is reminiscent of village idiots yelling at each other at the bottom of a well. I will now fall silent on this matter forever.
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Post by Tim Burrows on Jun 14, 2013 8:35:20 GMT
Before anyone mentions this, I should point out that I tried very hard to register using my real name - because I have nothing to hide, and no-one would care who I was anyway - but the truly *stupid* system this board now runs under refused to recoqnise my quite mundane monicker as an actual name. Tried six times, with six minor variants of my 100% genuine name - no dice. Insane. God, computers are stupid. Its' fault, not mine. I think I can confidently state that I'm in accord with my distant acquaintance Jon Preddle on this one - it wasn't broken, so why was it fixed? If Jon doesn't think that was his view, then I apologise to him without reservation. Anyway, it might be an idea for all those people who are so HORRIBLY certain this new rumour is rubbish to avoid making hostages to fortune over it. Certainly, no-one will feel bad about being wrong over it, but as I said above: if any find was worth keeping under wraps until the 50th, this is it...and those being slapped down in classic Missing Episodes.com 'be silent, you grubby little peasant' fashion for thinking the rumour MAY be true will be owed apologies that no-one will even consider giving them. So, don't act like an stereotypical arrogant uberfan prat to start with, eh what? "You don't know the truth, so stop pretending you do" is good advice for BOTH sides in this faintly inane debate. The Tenth Planet DVD is no indicator of the rumour's veracity, as some claim, for the simple reason that Part 4 may not be among the episodes recovered. The delay in bringing out Underwater Menace #2 is no bellweather, either, as it's quite likely that the Beeb want to animate the two missing(?) segments and sell us Part 3 all over again within a new release. We will know in a few months either way. Debate til then is *desperately* pointless, and is reminiscent of village idiots yelling at each other at the bottom of a well. I will now fall silent on this matter forever. Bisto.
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Post by Rob Moss on Jun 14, 2013 8:36:59 GMT
I will now fall silent on this matter forever. Given the tone of your first two posts, I'd recommend this course of action as a sensible way forward.
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Post by Martin Kinsella on Jun 14, 2013 8:40:30 GMT
I certainly didn't know who he was, but I highly doubt that he or anyone at DWOnline or Outpost Skaro are posting things they know are false. I think they have people who they consider reliable sources give them information that they've choosen to share. They've all cautioned that the information is not exact and may not hold water. I'm a Mod on Outpost Skaro. And OS has deliberately adopted a policy of not adding undue fuel to the fire as far as these rumours go. There has been no report, only some discussion of the rumours, just as there has here. Presumably that stupid tweet on the OS twitter feed, which got a lot of people talking, was part of this "policy of not adding fuel to the fire".
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Post by Martin Kinsella on Jun 14, 2013 8:41:41 GMT
Paul debunked this load of Bisto on Gallifrey Base a few weeks ago. Oh, for God's sake, would you stop saying 'Bisto' in every damned post?! What are you, 8 years old? I see this place hasn't changed one jot since I last bothered to look at it. If this rumour turns out to be true, the very people calling it...ahem...'Bisto'...right now will be the ones claiming they knew all along it was true. The same blind worship of self-appointed expert uberfans is in evidence also. Note that none of this gods among men had any advance warning about Galaxy 4 and Underwater Menace turning up. It is fair to say that just because [Uberfan] has pronounced on a topic, that does not mean the pronoucement is CORRECT. If any missing ep find was worth an extensive cover-up, this one would seem to be it. If it's false, then c'est la vie. If it's true, then I do not expect anyone here who dismissed it to come within 90 parsecs of admitting they were mistaken. If it turns out to be true I will be delighted and be happy to be wrong. I am not holding my breath. Sorry if I said the word Bisto. It is all rubbish the rumours.
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Post by Martin Kinsella on Jun 14, 2013 8:45:41 GMT
I feel so sorry for Paul who, I am sure we all agree, does a great job. He goes on Gbase and truly debunks the rumour and fans still do not believe him or parse his words. He is in a no win situation and must be thoroughly frustrated with it all. Paul has done no such thing. Why do you need to keep persisting on this. What he said was quite clear and there is nothing to parse. How do you debunk a rumour that says nothing has been returned to the bbc whith a response that says nothing has been returned to the bbc. The rumour was material had been returned. You probably do not post on Gbase but that ws the rumour. I suspect Paul reads the wild optimism in this thread and sadly shakes his head.
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