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Post by John Wall on Feb 22, 2013 22:04:04 GMT
So, there's a rumour about episodes from Africa and a rumour about episodes from Australia. They both start with the letter "A" ! There have been statements to the effect that various leads are being followed up and I think that there are a few archives/film stores that haven't been completely checked so they can be crossed off the list. There has recently been a description of the recovery of the Evil and Faceless Ones episodes which showed just how protracted the process can be. I'm not discounting the possibility that episode(s) have been located but are not yet back in captivity. In that case it might still fall through and leaks could cause many months, or years, of work to be wasted. Possibly the best post in the last two years. Praise indeed ;D John exits stage left polishing his halo. |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Feb 22, 2013 22:15:09 GMT
In light of David Stead's comments, and the apparent coyness of the RT/2E team at the press conference, I'll ask the direct question, as no-one has done the usual categorical debunking yet... Are you aware of any recoveries of missing episodes that the general public are not? ;D I'm fully expecting something along he lines of "you may think that, but I couldn't possibly comment" Also, could you elbow your way into doing more commentaries please. The one you did on ROT made the DVD for me. Well, the coyness you talk about could well just be ignorance of a non existent recovery. I believe I pointed out when the two episodes were recovered in 2011 that there would be a shed load of hoaxes, rumours and speculation to follow. Everything I predicted has come to pass. People are reading all sorts of things into innocent comments etc... and making 5 out of rumour and speculation. The simple fact is, if the BBC had been given any missing episodes of Doctor Who, I would know about it. I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe that. Therefore, the BBC haven't got any episodes tucked away anywhere. If any film collectors have missing episodes, I don't know about it. Here's a bit about me. I never lie; you always get caught out. If I had knowledge of any missing episodes out there, I wouldn't confirm anything until the material was secure. Speculating about what I may or may not know is pointless, but here's the thing. Doctor Who fans speculate about everything, but that could cause problems for future recoveries. If for arguments sake there was material out there and people started speculating about it, that fact may in itself be detrimental to the material being recovered. It would make much more sense for people to wait to find out if all of these rumours were true by awaiting some sort of official announcement. If that announcement never comes, you have your answer. If it does happen, then we'll all be very happy. Either way, it's pointless speculating. Paul |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Feb 22, 2013 22:17:20 GMT
Thanks Paul. That's why I asked. A categorical debunking was much required, not further speculation.
Many thanks indeed.
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 23, 2013 0:28:04 GMT
Thanks Paul. That's why I asked. A categorical debunking was much required, not further speculation. Many thanks indeed. Sounds like the missing episodes panel and the World Exclusive at Whovention on Saturday could turn into a real dud if people in attendance are hoping for announcements about missing episodes being found. So much for a dream release. |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Feb 23, 2013 1:16:25 GMT
Sounds like the missing episodes panel and the World Exclusive at Whovention on Saturday could turn into a real dud if people in attendance are hoping for announcements about missing episodes being found. So much for a dream release. Indeed! I think the problem is that when the precedent is set to animate missing episodes, and then they say they're not animating this one, but won't say what they are doing... then you have the hype of a World exclusive... then you have giggles when 'Power' is mentioned... then you have Dan Hall teasing about an announcement... then you have the precedent of episode recoveries (not investigations mind, completed recoveries in the bag, not being announced and saved for big events, albeit completely unrelated to the BBC/2E) and all of the above mixed in the rumour mill and the obsessive hope that something else has been found... Expectations are going to be impossibly high! IMHO, all speculative threads should just be deleted from the off. And I mean ALL speculation, such as the above best comment in two years, as without fact, opinion will only create speculation. This is a great forum for technical discussion and fact finding and it should probably and strictly be refined to just that. If speculation and rumours are threatening to the process, and they NEVER hold any water, and they just cause the few in the know to get irritated then let it be quashed. The first rule about potential missing episode recoveries is 'do not talk about potential missing episode recoveries.' If well meaning fans, who pursue their own lines of enquiry, but don't already know what has been done get criticised and endanger the process, and if the process can't be known because that would endanger the process, then all talk of independent research and research by those in the know should be banned and deleted. Anyone who speaks factual incorrectitudes should be spoken to abruptly by those in the know, and they should be banned and deleted. Any talk of Doctor Who Missing Episodes, should probably be banned and deleted, as we can't actually know if anything is missing; it might be very much found by some collector or other. All talk of missing episodes, and indeed the forum, should be more correctly called "Doctor Who Episodes Non-extant, as those in the know, know, at the BBC" The serious conclusion here is ban all speculation here on DWENEATITKKATBBC. |
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 23, 2013 1:27:53 GMT
I'm not discounting the possibility that episode(s) have been located but are not yet back in captivity. In that case it might still fall through and leaks could cause many months, or years, of work to be wasted. I can understand the need for confidentiality and secrecy when it comes to missing episode investigations. The leaks are not helping and neither are the hoaxes. Combine those factors with Dan Hall's supposed dream release this fall, then you have the potential to drive Doctor Who fans into a frenzy. Nothing can really be done about hoaxers, but what about inside leaks if there are any? What can be done to restrict information from people who might be on the inside that could end up jeopardizing recoveries? |
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Post by Greg H on Feb 23, 2013 1:58:57 GMT
Isn't Dan Hall's announcement supposed to be soonish? Does anyone know exactly when? I suppose that will put a halt to the rumour mill in all of it's frenzy.
I expect its an animation, the titular one of this thread seems fairly likely to me right now. I shall wait and see.
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Post by Robert Mammone on Feb 23, 2013 4:13:28 GMT
Isn't Dan Hall's announcement supposed to be soonish? Does anyone know exactly when? I suppose that will put a halt to the rumour mill in all of it's frenzy. I expect its an animation, the titular one of this thread seems fairly likely to me right now. I shall wait and see. No offence to those eager to see an animated Power (if that is in fact what Hall referred to) but for mine, if that's his version of a dream release, keep on sleeping, Danny! |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Feb 23, 2013 4:19:45 GMT
Isn't Dan Hall's announcement supposed to be soonish? Does anyone know exactly when? I suppose that will put a halt to the rumour mill in all of it's frenzy. I expect its an animation, the titular one of this thread seems fairly likely to me right now. I shall wait and see. We should know by breakfast time in the UK. |
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Post by Greg H on Feb 23, 2013 4:44:24 GMT
Cheers Tim! Hopefully it will be something interesting to read about over my breakfast  |
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 23, 2013 6:14:08 GMT
Isn't Dan Hall's announcement supposed to be soonish? Does anyone know exactly when? I suppose that will put a halt to the rumour mill in all of it's frenzy. I expect its an animation, the titular one of this thread seems fairly likely to me right now. I shall wait and see. No offence to those eager to see an animated Power (if that is in fact what Hall referred to) but for mine, if that's his version of a dream release, keep on sleeping, Danny! It looks like Paul was right. It doesn't look like anything has been found. There have been plenty of missing episode rumors on the Internet where people use unnamed BBC employees as sources, but there is not a shred of evidence to back up the rumor. Chances are that these could have been hoaxes or complete misunderstandings from the start. Ian Levine is the biggest skeptic when it comes to hearing about missing episodes, but he currently has a unique signature at his forum that says "Last year like a fool I stupidly fell for the rumours of finding 43 missing episodes but as usual it's all bull." If he fell for a rumor, it had to be pretty convincing until it finally fell apart, whatever it was. It looks like animation is the only alternative, but I don't see how they can properly animate episode 4 of The Tenth Planet and The Power of the Daleks within the next nine months, if that is what they are planning for the 50th. |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Feb 23, 2013 6:14:31 GMT
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 23, 2013 6:28:29 GMT
Damn it. That is episode 5 for God's sake.  I am not mad at you, Tim, but that error on the website is like tossing gasoline in a fire. Maybe somebody should contact them and have the typo corrected before this gets out of hand. |
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Post by Rowan Abblitt on Feb 23, 2013 7:34:38 GMT
In the Youtube video on the first page of this thread, Dan Hall is saying something about The Ice Warriors episodes 2 and 3 not being the original VHS reconstructions, but something new that they haven't tried before. He also said they would be announcing what that new reconstruction technique is very soon.
World exclusive, anyone?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Feb 23, 2013 7:40:14 GMT
Well, Dan has made his announcement, so you all know that officially nothing has been found!
Let's all start living our lives again. :-)
Paul
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