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Post by Paul Watkins on Feb 5, 2013 19:45:21 GMT
There's been a lot of discussion over the last few years about the colour recovery process of this show. For those who don't know - There were chroma dots present in the vt copy of this show which allows the colour recovery of it. There was one sample posted on youtube which showed the apparent recovery in all it's splendor but absolutly nothing since 2008. www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDXti1408UUDoes anyone know if this entire show has been restored yet, or was this dropped?
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Feb 6, 2013 8:57:39 GMT
I know Come and Get It by Badfinger has been partially colourized, as that was on a documentary, some of it.
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Post by Colin Anderton on Feb 6, 2013 9:25:29 GMT
Ray, are you referring to when this was featured in "The Rock And Roll Years"? If so, that was back in the 80s! They didn't do colour restorations back then, did they?
If the original colour recording existed then, is there a chance perhaps that it has survived?
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Post by Neil Megson on Feb 6, 2013 9:39:50 GMT
As I understand it, the reason this show was picked for colour recovery trials was because part of the original colour VT survives, along with a b/w telerecording showing strong chroma dots. Having both copies meant that the colour recovery could be compared and checked against the original for accuracy.
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Post by Les Cotton on Feb 6, 2013 10:20:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 10:51:45 GMT
The original colour recordings of Badfinger, Blodwyn Pig, Rare Bird and Jethro Tull exist for this episode anyway. A very short colour clip of the Arrival performance survives also.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Feb 6, 2013 11:09:21 GMT
Ray, are you referring to when this was featured in "The Rock And Roll Years"? If so, that was back in the 80s! They didn't do colour restorations back then, did they? If the original colour recording existed then, is there a chance perhaps that it has survived? Nope - it's on a Badfinger documentary, just a clip.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 11:15:04 GMT
It's amazing how - through Chinese whispers - basic TOTP (and other) archive information gets blurred or forgotten over just a relatively short space of time! The 29/1/70 edition exists as a b/w t/r PLUS some of the same performances additionally on colour VT. The Badfinger clip is one, as mentioned already by Mike, which was used in part on the Rock And Roll Years way back in the '80s. As far as that colour recovery is concerned, no further work has been undertaken so far as I know (it was merely a test, to determine the quality of results and was used because they could find out how near to the original colours the chroma dot recovery was by looking at one of the clips which also survived on colour tape!). This is a great shame as I'd love to see this edition restored to its former glory. It's especially annoying though as about half the edition exists in colour and so much less work would need to be done on it than on something where the whole thing only existed in b/w! However, as it's a Saville-presented edition, I can imagine that makes it even less likely a full restoration would be attempted for the forseeable future
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Post by Peter Stirling on Feb 7, 2013 9:55:11 GMT
Didn't one of the pioneers of colour recovery Richard Russell have a difference of opinion and abandoned any further interest in the process? www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDXti1408UU
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Post by Neil Megson on Feb 7, 2013 10:00:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 11:36:43 GMT
It's a huge tragedy for the restoration of archive material. The BBC has a large amount of programming that would have benefitted from the implementation of / further improvements to the colour recovery process. It all seems to have stalled due to politics. It would be a great shame if Doctor Who was the only programme to ultimately benefit from this great invention (the same also applies to VidFire).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 11:54:46 GMT
It's a huge tragedy for the restoration of archive material. The BBC has a large amount of programming that would have benefitted from the implementation of / further improvements to the colour recovery process. It all seems to have stalled due to politics. It would be a great shame if Doctor Who was the only programme to ultimately benefit from this great invention (the same also applies to VidFire). Agreed though one off instances like Dad's Army and Are You Being Served apart, it annoys me it's only Doctor Who that gets given the restoration magic whilst the rest of the archive is left alone. There is a LOT more important material in the archive than DW.
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Post by markandresen on Feb 7, 2013 16:03:24 GMT
Which begs the question, what will happen to the Colour Recovery and DW Restoration Teams? I know they are not official bodies, but, surely, the processes they've formulated won't just be ignored / abandoned by the BBC and other channels from now on?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 16:15:20 GMT
It all seems to hang in the balance. I can't see the RT going on forever and the Dr.Who releases will eventually reach a natural end. I'd consider it a logical development for them to move on to restoring (initially) other choice programmes such as Year Of The Sex Olympics though, working their magic over the BBC archive more generally later on. I can't imagine the BBC seeing it as worthwhile forking out on this sort of thing though, even though it would effectively be drastically improving the quality and watchability what's in the archive.
I'd be more than happy to pay for properly restored versions of (e.g.) the complete Steptoe & Son or Hancock sets (which I only passed up last time due to the unrestored nature of the recordings), a full colour restored version of Sex Olympics or those early 1970 (currently) b/w TOTP editions. All of these and other programmes would be prime candidates for a helping hand from the RT!
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Post by markandresen on Feb 8, 2013 11:04:30 GMT
Cheers for that, Laurence. I guess it 'hangs' on whether a large enough audience - beyond ourselves with our specialist interest - start demanding it, for it to be a commercial proposition. I don't know about you, but, sadly, I don't feel there has ever been ENOUGH of an interest from Joe Public in their cultural history (let alone the QUALITY of their cultural history) for this to happen. Unless - or until - of course, the software can be more cheaply developed for us to restore our own product from our own keypads.
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