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Post by Brad Phipps on Dec 16, 2012 8:06:36 GMT
Was it because the process didn't translate well? Or overseas sales simply weren't important enough to warrant it?
When did the BBC begin standards conversions (not in Doctor Who just in general)?
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Post by Michael Plowright on Dec 16, 2012 8:22:24 GMT
Wasn't it because many countries didn't have colour tv? Australia for example didn't have colour tv until 1975. Wasn't New Zealand later?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Dec 16, 2012 8:59:00 GMT
The process was looked at by the BBC, but I gather that it simply didn't work terribly well. There are colour telerecordings around of some ITV output such as Upstairs Downstairs, Just William, Edward the Seventh, Thriller and The Tomorrow People, although people that have seen them say that they look very odd and tend to have a greenish cast to them. I've heard that a colour telerecording exists of the BBC's Theatre 625, but I don't know if they were ever made commercially available by Enterprises. If you have the foggest understanding of the technical issues involved, here's a link to a 1971 BBC research paper on producing colour telerecordings using a shadow mask tube. downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1971-23.pdf |
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Post by Alex B on Dec 16, 2012 8:59:27 GMT
Wasn't it because many countries didn't have colour tv? Australia for example didn't have colour tv until 1975. Wasn't New Zealand later? NZ went colour in 1974 for the Christchurch Commonwealth Games. |
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Post by Michael Plowright on Dec 16, 2012 9:49:06 GMT
Out of curiosity Richard - do you know would there have been much of a market at the time for colour 16mm anyways - particularly in the early 70s?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Dec 16, 2012 9:54:23 GMT
I would personally doubt it. By the time overseas stations had the facility to be able to broadcast colour, they probably also had the means to transmit the material directly from videotape rather than film anyway, which would have made the process somewhat redundant.
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Post by davidstead on Dec 16, 2012 10:28:27 GMT
Many years back I bought and then resold an episode of Fawlty Towers on 16 colour film recording, so it was being used by the BBC for some programming sales at least until 1975.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Dec 16, 2012 10:37:17 GMT
That's interesting, David. What was the quality like? Did it have the same sort of colour-cast problems that the ITV colour telerecordings were supposed to have?
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Post by Richard Marple on Dec 16, 2012 11:20:52 GMT
I remember reading a while back that B&W telerecording canused coloured light as part of the process, which I guess dosn't work so well with colour film.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 11:52:55 GMT
I've heard that a colour telerecording exists of the BBC's Theatre 625 Yes, Theatre 625: The Fanatics (April 1968) exists as a colour telerecording, although it isn't a "normal" t/r and was made by a different process of three separate elements for the different colours , so far as I can gather (35mm?). So an expensive experiment. The results are good but it's a little strange seeing a studio drama with a colour film look! I've no idea if it was transmitted from this format or just archived that way though. |
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Post by Steven Sigel on Dec 16, 2012 14:39:54 GMT
I've had some of the Tomorrow People T/Rs -- they were on 70s film stock, so they had faded reddish by the time I saw them - so no green look - but I can't say if that was because of the fading, or if it wasn't there to begin with..
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Post by Alex Taylor on Dec 16, 2012 15:41:38 GMT
I've seen T/Rs of Muppet Show episodes, albeit transferred to Umatic. I don't recall there being any particular problems with the colour.
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Dec 16, 2012 15:48:46 GMT
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Post by Rob Moss on Dec 16, 2012 15:50:41 GMT
I've seen a couple of episodes of Rainbow from colour film copies and they looked horrific. The best attempt I've ever seen is the sequences in The Changes.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Dec 16, 2012 16:07:22 GMT
Um - some facts you should be aware of before bidding on random films on ebay: 1) That can looks to be 400' (hard to say for sure because the picture has nothing to denote scale). Assuming that's right, it's about 10 minutes. 2) There are literally MILLIONS of 16mm prints out there -- I personally have over 10,000. The chances that you might "get lucky" buying some random reel of film is miniscule... I bought a collection of 1,000 films back in June -- there were a grand total of 7 TV shows out of the entire batch, and those were all American stuff like Hawaii 5-0, Hollywood and the Stars, Big Valley etc... I have NEVER run across a Dr. Who print at random in a collection in the 25 years I've been collecting films. That's not to say it can't happen - just that it's very unlikely... I wouldn't waste my money unless you happen to want films in general. |
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