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Post by jackw28 on Nov 1, 2012 8:30:42 GMT
There hasn't been a recovery for months, and all these rumours makes me wonder, is there anything left to find? Are there any more rumours to rumour? And another thing, does anyone know any rumours they've seen on YouTube or someone told them about, hope more episodes are recovered! Good day. Jack.
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Post by Rowan Abblitt on Nov 1, 2012 8:50:54 GMT
Hi.
Before the discoveries of Airlock and Underwater Menace 2 last year, no full episodes had been recovered since 2004 (Day of Armageddon) and anything else has been brief clips. What makes you think that there are suddenly going to be lots of recoveries ten months since the last one?
I'm not trying to be offensive by the way, I'm just trying to be realistic.
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Post by Rob Moss on Nov 1, 2012 9:32:07 GMT
There's always hope that some film collector will have something in their collection that they didn't know about or realise was missing. There's always hope that someone will find a pile of film cans in an old cupboard or attic. It seems as though there's little hope of anything turning up in a foreign tv vault now, and the "chance discovery" scenario is growing ever more unlikely, but there's always a chance that something else might turn up, even if it is a very slim chance.
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Post by Rowan Abblitt on Nov 1, 2012 10:04:07 GMT
I second that. Tiny possibility, but it builds up enough hope to keep people looking so that one day, maybe, there is another find.
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Post by Tony Ingram on Nov 1, 2012 11:04:18 GMT
I firmly believe there is still more missing material out there (I'm convinced someone has The Tenth Planet 4 in a private collection, for one thing; there have been enough rumours over the years). Whether it will turn up or not is another matter, but there have been long waits between finds before now so I see no reason to give up hope.
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Post by Steven Graham on Nov 1, 2012 11:21:13 GMT
I think it is likely that something else will turn up at some point in time. After all, the original cut of Fritz Lang's Metropolis, originally made in 1927, and believed lost forever, turned up in 2008. So, there's no reason to abandon hope.
At the same time, there's no reason to assume that any will turn up anytime soon. As other posters have pointed out, there have been long gaps between episode recoveries in the past, and likely will be again in the future. Of course it's to be hoped that the extra publicity surrounding the return of G43 and UM2, not to mention the upcoming 50th anniversary, might help raise awareness.
But ultimately, we will never know if we have found all the episodes that there are to be found or not. There will always be the chance that another one is out there somewhere, and each new find adds to that hope. But we'll just have to hold tight, keep our eyes peeled, and wait.
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Post by Greg H on Nov 1, 2012 11:45:25 GMT
Material can and does turn up from silent era films to missing 80s game shows, so never say never. As time goes by more leads etc will have been exhausted, but there could still be a box of domestic recordings, 16mm prints etc out there. Who knows? Keep looking and keep our collective fingers crossed.
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Post by Rob Moss on Nov 1, 2012 11:48:30 GMT
Of course it's to be hoped that the extra publicity surrounding the return of G43 and UM2, not to mention the upcoming 50th anniversary, might help raise awareness. 50th Anniversary, perhaps, but I'd have thought that the publicity surrounding the two episodes last year would have produced something by now if it was going to. |
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Post by Daniel Hornby on Nov 1, 2012 12:55:00 GMT
I think it is likely that something else will turn up at some point in time. After all, the original cut of Fritz Lang's Metropolis, originally made in 1927, and believed lost forever, turned up in 2008. Metropolis was not missing for all those years however. The museum which housed Metropolis tried in vain to prove they had missing footage but they weren't believed. Eventually when an expert saw the film, he realised it was the real deal! Perhaps there are other finds of that nature with people unwilling to believe. |
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Post by Steven Graham on Nov 1, 2012 13:12:42 GMT
I think it is likely that something else will turn up at some point in time. After all, the original cut of Fritz Lang's Metropolis, originally made in 1927, and believed lost forever, turned up in 2008. Metropolis was not missing for all those years however. The museum which housed Metropolis tried in vain to prove they had missing footage but they weren't believed. Eventually when an expert saw the film, he realised it was the real deal! Perhaps there are other finds of that nature with people unwilling to believe. Sure. I was just making the point that sometimes missing/lost footage can be returned even after very long periods of time, and even after it is assumed that it will never be found. |
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Post by Richard Tipple on Nov 1, 2012 13:24:38 GMT
I am OUTRAGED that after a STAGGERING 10 MONTHS after finding two Doctor Who episodes, we haven't uncovered more. I mean who cares that episodes some times take DECADES at a time to come to the surface!!
In all seriousness, I didn't think there was anything left to find, and then these two episodes came about, which was incredible. I've now reverted back to thinking we've got everything we're ever likely to get. A couple of the people involved in finds in the past think a few more might turn up, I hope they're right. But no one can say if anything will turn up ever again, let alone if it will be next week or next century!
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Post by Greg H on Nov 1, 2012 14:39:05 GMT
Metropolis was not missing for all those years however. There was a substantial 25 minutes of footage recovered from what is generally considered to be one of the more important films of the 20th century though, which makes it a virtually complete film now, rather than a butchered and truncated version only partially representative of Lang's original vision. Unfortunately missing silent cinema is as much hoaxed about as missing doctor who, I think London after midnight is a particularly common one; I have witnessed several hoaxes for this one myself. You can't blame people too much for getting sceptical or occassionaly losing their patience with the mentally unwell. I applaud Paul and co's patience. |
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Post by Steve Smith on Nov 1, 2012 14:58:06 GMT
In all seriousness, I didn't think there was anything left to find, and then these two episodes came about, which was incredible. I believe Ian Levine said the same thing. Both before AND after "The Dalek's Master Plan - 2" was found in 2004 lol. |
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Post by Richard Tipple on Nov 1, 2012 15:19:39 GMT
In all seriousness, I didn't think there was anything left to find, and then these two episodes came about, which was incredible. I believe Ian Levine said the same thing. Both before AND after "The Dalek's Master Plan - 2" was found in 2004 lol. Indeed he did! I would be delighted to be proved wrong! Delighted! |
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Post by Richard Tipple on Nov 1, 2012 15:21:59 GMT
Hi, I've not posted for what seems like ages but I have always followed threads and I just felt like saying something... I really do hope that more episodes are out there and fingers crossed that Jackw28 is correct and that his friend's father does have something - even if it's not 24 episodes. (I'm hoping for Evil, Enemy and Savages myself). Even if we do get caught up in the frenzy of Hoaxes along the way, at least we're keeping the spirit and hope of missing episodes going and who knows what leads it could bring. I was thinking the other night, it doesn't happen often I'll admit, but I would imagine that we're likely to see less 'single' episodes returned. Over the years a few have popped up that have been due to people taking the odd copy. I believe that we're more likely to see 'bulk' episodes returned in the future - as, so far, we could just be looking in the wrong places. The reason why I say this is because if you take a look at the missing episodes, we still have whole stories missing. I imagine that these complete stories are possibly all together by collectors or somewhere else, i.e 'Tomb'. For me, I'd much like to believe that someone somewhere saw 4 episodes of Dr Who The Savages and decided that they'd take them all home... possibly up their loft or in a storage garage. However, that is my theory, I know a lot may not agree and no I do not have the Savages!  unfortunately. I do believe there are bulk episodes still waiting to be found. It's just a matter of when and where. Good post. Incidentally I disagree about 'bulk' finds. It appears to me as though TV stations returns have run dry - they are the ones likely to return episodes in bulk ie Tomb. All the recent evidence has suggested film collectors pick up orphan episodes here and there. They were disposed off in muddled orders, so it seems right that they might turn up in this way? |
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unfortunately. I do believe there are bulk episodes still waiting to be found. It's just a matter of when and where.