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Post by Vaughan Stanger on Oct 22, 2012 16:13:38 GMT
At times it seems as if Apple have decided that the the best way to preserve The Beatles' legacy is not to let people see it.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Oct 22, 2012 16:18:27 GMT
....and instead the market has countless bootlegs on it. You'll note there are solo promo comps for all four Beatles solo careers!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 11:51:21 GMT
The 3rd clip is made up of outtakes from the promo shoot. The Beatles visual legacy is lamentably bad. Apple charges prohibitively steep amounts of money to licence clips, so you only used to get the same old clip of them doing She Loves You in the Cardin jackets, which the BBC seems to own. No-one gets to see anything else anywhere. Neil Aspinall missed the bus when it came to picking up on new media, something he admitted to ... but it seems his legacy is still one of neglect. But then, getting Macca, Ringo, and the Estates of Harrison & Lennon to agree on anything must require extremely delicate & diplomatic negotiation ... I wouldn't fancy the job.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 12:24:30 GMT
Nor would I! However, a basic bog standard video greatest hits is pretty fundamental for any artist nowadays, whether famous or obscure. It can't be that hard to agree on, bearing in mind less obvious releases have seen the light of day (e.g. The Ed Sullivan Shows, Magical Mystery Tour, The Beatles' First U.S. Tour). Mind you, if Apple did attempt something like a best of DVD, they'd probably go their usual route and botch it up: poorly researched, badly restored source material, obvious song omissions etc. I've started to accept now though that such releases won't happen within the lifetime of anybody who remembers The Beatles from the period of the group's existence. A sad (and pretty disgraceful) fact of life and people have no choice but to go for the bootlegs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 13:15:22 GMT
The bootleggers have done a pretty good job of providing fans with what they want, one example being all the various versions of the Intertel Promo's on the Chronicles discs. And I can't see Apple putting anything out as comprehensive as those compilations. Which, of course, is a real shame.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Oct 23, 2012 13:21:46 GMT
Nor would I! However, a basic bog standard video greatest hits is pretty fundamental for any artist nowadays, whether famous or obscure. It can't be that hard to agree on, bearing in mind less obvious releases have seen the light of day (e.g. The Ed Sullivan Shows, Magical Mystery Tour, The Beatles' First U.S. Tour). Mind you, if Apple did attempt something like a best of DVD, they'd probably go their usual route and botch it up: poorly researched, badly restored source material, obvious song omissions etc. I've started to accept now though that such releases won't happen within the lifetime of anybody who remembers The Beatles from the period of the group's existence. A sad (and pretty disgraceful) fact of life and people have no choice but to go for the bootlegs. Which is why they should employ me! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 13:34:26 GMT
And me ;D
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Post by Sal Mohammed on Oct 23, 2012 18:46:01 GMT
Ray, did the same person beat you twice in the Beatles quiz?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 9:10:22 GMT
Which is why they should employ me! ;D Nah, out of seniority, they should employ me, being a Beatles fan since about 1963! ;D In an ideal world, they'd employ us all. Failing that, at least one person who cares passionately enough about the archive to make informed choices regarding what should be released, whoever they are. I think you'd be an acceptable candidate to all of us here though, Ray, as you have tenacity and attention to detail!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 15:12:17 GMT
I don't think the problem lies with research at Apple. Let's not forget that Ron Furmanek was involved heavily with the Anthology - he was the man who uncovered and found a lot of footage that was used, notably the Shea Stadium footage. Ron's always been thorough and meticulous about his research and I'm sure it pained him greatly not being able to find the master negatives of the "Penny Lane" promo. I understand he was also responsible for finding all the "Magical Mystery Tour" footage though he didn't get any credit on the latest DVD and Blu Ray.
The problem is Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Yoko Ono and Olivia Harrison. Neil Aspinall also has to shoulder a large part of blame as well. Unfortunately since Aspinall's death, the Apple video vaults have barely been exploited. The recent MMT stuff is a big step in the right direction but logic continues to defy Apple. It's their official 50th anniversary so what do we get? An upgraded "Yellow Submarine" movie, MMT and a much publicised badly bungled limited edition 7 inch of "Love Me Do." And still no collection of promos and TV appearances covering their entire career. Amazing.
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Post by markboulton on Oct 24, 2012 18:31:56 GMT
I think what everyone forgets is that, as far as The Beatles as a group is concerned, it's not just down to Apple. There's EMI to be considered. They continue to own the audio elements of the group's output, even where Apple own the visuals. EMI are Apple's blessed curse; many fans hate EMI especially after becoming an umbrella company for a bunch of venture capitalists. But talk about kicking them when they're down. Apple drive hard bargains with them and, as the company with whom they signed a contract, being in financial dire straits makes them perfectly entitled to take a similarly robust stance when it comes to reaching agreements.
Remember that the solo careers are not covered in such a legal minefield, nor with Indie Apple artists such as Hopkin, Lomax, Badfinger etc.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Oct 24, 2012 21:14:18 GMT
Ray, did the same person beat you twice in the Beatles quiz? No I came runner-up to two different people, by two points in 1985 (aged 16) and one-and-a-half points in 1990. To be honest now, there are people who know much more than I, but I'm still quite handy I think.
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Post by Sal Mohammed on Oct 24, 2012 21:41:08 GMT
Ray, did the same person beat you twice in the Beatles quiz? No I came runner-up to two different people, by two points in 1985 (aged 16) and one-and-a-half points in 1990. To be honest now, there are people who know much more than I, but I'm still quite handy I think. That's just as well, if the same person had beaten you twice, I would have said he must be the best person for the job. 2nd place isn't bad for a 16 year oldl Mind you I bet the winner was relieved not to lose to some skinny spotty young know it all teenager! ;D
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Post by Jeff Lewis on Oct 24, 2012 23:08:45 GMT
I think what everyone forgets is that, as far as The Beatles as a group is concerned, it's not just down to Apple. There's EMI to be considered. They continue to own the audio elements of the group's output, even where Apple own the visuals. EMI are Apple's blessed curse; many fans hate EMI especially after becoming an umbrella company for a bunch of venture capitalists. But talk about kicking them when they're down. Apple drive hard bargains with them and, as the company with whom they signed a contract, being in financial dire straits makes them perfectly entitled to take a similarly robust stance when it comes to reaching agreements. If memory serves Brian Epstein handsomely benefited by attaching himself to all The Beatles deals with EMI so I was wondering whether his estate also take a share.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 8:27:16 GMT
I wonder if the recent EMI takeover may change things as regards Beatles material coming out. In the past, EMI have treated The Beatles legacy very well indeed (e.g. proper preservation of the masters, no strings of trashy compilations of the like suffered by other '60s groups signed to other labels such as The Kinks) and what's been put out has generally been respectful to the group's name. Nowadays they are only EMI by name though and it remains to be seen what will happen next.
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