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Post by John Green on Oct 2, 2012 20:17:57 GMT
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Post by markandresen on Oct 2, 2012 22:21:58 GMT
I knew bringing up what might be worth saving and what not would wind some of you up. But I make no demands - it's just personal. I recall how (seriously) tempted my mate, the late, great Richard Down was, so wanting to junk a woefully unfunny ITV Mike and Bernie Winters Show he'd recovered on an old Philips tape... Still, there's no doubt everything missing is at least worth finding. All the same value, though? A Wednesday Play versus a Mr. Bod outtake? Really?
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Oct 3, 2012 7:51:07 GMT
Mr Bod?
Keep them all, keep them all. The good and the crap and the small!
It's our history.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 11:11:56 GMT
All the same value, though? A Wednesday Play versus a Mr. Bod outtake? Really? No, I don't think anyone is saying that. It's more a case of most shows will have their fans somewhere, whatever that show is. Therefore, even if we don't like something ourselves is no reason to play god and say it should be junked. However, I don't really hold with the idea that there is a generally accepted consensus as to what programmes are "worthy" / preservable and which are not; if followed through to an illogical conclusion, it merely creates a high culture vs. low culture climate (as we've had in the past) where Shakespeare adaptations and Dennis Potter plays are kept but Top Of The Pops or The Likely Lads are not, even though the latter arguably represent the tone of their times better than the former. |
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Post by John Wall on Oct 3, 2012 11:49:12 GMT
To some extent we need the Brilliant Speculation to prevent us seeing classic TV through rose tinted spectacles - there was some really good stuff, some unfortunately now missing, but there was also a lot of rubbish.
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Post by David King on Oct 4, 2012 21:26:22 GMT
It's true, I think the off airs came from Anne Ladbury's VHSs. They were off air from Thames, rather than Southern and unfortunately, often had the starts and ends clipped in the butting up together on the tapes. Parts of the VHS tapes were transferred at Meridian, around 1993/4, to BetaSP for use as clips for "Southern Gold" but not wishing to let the opportunity go, I copied the rest separately onto BetaSP. There are 10 programmes in all and they have been subsequently copied across 4 x Digibeta tapes which are now at the Wessex Archive. Also existing is a Digibeta of a VHS copy of the Quad tape of Southern's final Houseparty VTR 6081 RX 27/10/1981 and TX 31/12/1981. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Oct 5, 2012 8:23:24 GMT
It's true, I think the off airs came from Anne Ladbury's VHSs. They were off air from Thames, rather than Southern and unfortunately, often had the starts and ends clipped in the butting up together on the tapes. Parts of the VHS tapes were transferred at Meridian, around 1993/4, to BetaSP for use as clips for "Southern Gold" but not wishing to let the opportunity go, I copied the rest separately onto BetaSP. There are 10 programmes in all and they have been subsequently copied across 4 x Digibeta tapes which are now at the Wessex Archive. Also existing is a Digibeta of a VHS copy of the Quad tape of Southern's final Houseparty VTR 6081 RX 27/10/1981 and TX 31/12/1981. I didn't know that Ian - great that you did that! |
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Post by peterc on Oct 5, 2012 8:54:32 GMT
I've been busy transferring all my editions of Houseparty onto DVD the past couple of days. Haven't watched them since I first recorded them. Will post again, once I've totted them up, but it's between 20 & 30 editions, nearly all from the last couple of years. And also, I found a 15 minute interview program from 1993, where Fred Dineage interviews six of the woman, including the fabulous Cherry Marshall and almost as fabulous Sylvia.
I must admit watching old VHS copies on a large screen TV makes you realise how awful the PQ was.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2012 9:02:00 GMT
Speak to Chris Perry of Kaleidoscope about these, Peter. I'm sure they'd like to take copies for posterity!
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Post by John Green on Oct 5, 2012 11:24:26 GMT
Wow.Really pleased that you've got those,Peter.
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Post by Christopher Perry on Oct 5, 2012 12:55:24 GMT
Hi Peter
Kal would definitely like to rearchive your VHS onto digibeta and HD files once you finish with them, if you would be so kind.
Thanks
Chris
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Post by Ian Wegg on Oct 5, 2012 13:37:37 GMT
I didn't know that Ian - great that you did that! Just for the record Ray I didn't! It was Dave King (quoting my earlier post) but I'll echo your sentiment! I've been busy transferring all my editions of Houseparty onto DVD the past couple of days. Haven't watched them since I first recorded them. Will post again, once I've totted them up, but it's between 20 & 30 editions, nearly all from the last couple of years. And also, I found a 15 minute interview program from 1993, where Fred Dineage interviews six of the woman, including the fabulous Cherry Marshall and almost as fabulous Sylvia. That is excellent. The 15 minute programme is the second edition of the first series of Meridian's Southern Gold, mentioned upthread and also at www.mausoleumclubforum.org.uk/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=18542&page=1#pid214141. It was broadcast on 7th June 1993. The four Houseparty women credited were Ann Ladbury, Cherry Marshall, Daphne Lee and Sylvia Marshall. They were joined by 5 others at the end of the programme.  ~iw |
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Post by John Green on Oct 5, 2012 14:04:02 GMT
For some reason,when I read the reference to 'Southern Gold',I came away with the impression that the project was abandoned.Obviously not!
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Post by peterc on Oct 6, 2012 9:58:57 GMT
I've done a count-up and I have a total of 20 episodes, a couple with the very start missing, but otherwise complete. They are pretty much all 2nd generation copies, as I always recorded onto one machine, and then copied them onto another, editing out all the stuff beforehand and afterwards. One of them has a complete ITV Christmas trailer on it, the first programme mentioned in the trailer being The Goodies Christmas Special. Also a lot of the episodes were recorded with a linear soundtrack, so the sound is quite muffled by today's standards.
I have lots of memories of watching them - initially, only when I was off-sick from school, but then recorded it avidly in its' final years, as it was, quite simply the campest thing on television. I remember vividly the "Tomato Soup cake" recipe, with Cherry sending the whole thing up (and it was and still is a delicious cake to make!), there was another episode where one of the "girls" was proudly showing Cherry this tiny pair of shoes she had kept from one of her children, which Cherry threw dismissively onto the table. She was always the real star of the show.
Another one I remember well (however unlikely it sounds) was Lucy decribing her visit to a Soho sex shop, and managing to discuss dildos without every mentioning them by name. It must have been either Mary or Sylvia who managed to show their disgust with their facial expressions alone.
Two other series I have kept are Pennywise and Do-it-Herself. Both presented by two Scottish women, and featuring such money-spinning gems as how to make a lamp out of a brick. Every bit as (unintentionally) camp as Houseparty, and mercilessly lampooned by Victoria Wood in one of her TV show.
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Post by peterc on Oct 6, 2012 10:02:13 GMT
Christopher, is there any way to send you a private message, regarding your request re. the Houseparty episodes? This board doesn't seem to support private messages, unless I am missing the obvious.
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