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Post by markboulton on Oct 17, 2014 17:56:23 GMT
From Challenge in November 2013, a year after the OP Epsoides Challenge did have, S1 - eps 3,6,8,9,10,11,12,13 and 15. S2 - 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 and 13. S3 - 21 eps labelled in order 1 -21. S4 - 28 eps labelled in order 1 -28. S5 - 15 eps labelled in order 1 -15 which is still far less then the 39 which is missing more like 25, but is this correct? Once again Lost shows is badly out of date. As Chris Perry said in his earlier post, ITV provided the info as to what survived. It came straight from ITV Rights and Archive Rights and they seemed pretty confident with the information provided. In the case of these 14 episodes, they are probably somewhere where the paperwork isn't! It's not lostshows.com's fault. I personally am not interested in laying blame anywhere, but people need to understand the cracks through which information falls and I want to highlight why so few people seem able to piece together a single truth, which is what we should all be aiming for. And Lostshows ain't it! Often, neither are its sources! Emailing companies and asking for what they get when they search a database is not, sadly enough. I do this kind of stuff for a living and the number of times I overhear colleagues telling someone over the phone, "we've no idea where that is" is based solely on their inability to use correct search terms and they don't want to come to us because they don't want to admit they can't find it themselves. Also I've found just how many opportunities people make to muddy waters, hoard information, misdirect, dispose of stuff unchecked, keep stuff in duplicate/triplicate... Don't worry, not VT or audio tapes, but technical documentation. But the amount of stuff that's gone missing due to not wanting us to know where something is, then disposing of it, then asking us to tell them where it is 3 months later! Then getting angry if we draw a blank,ask if it ever went through us, them saying No and us saying "that's why then!"
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Post by markboulton on Oct 17, 2014 18:05:30 GMT
One other thing to consider...person does search, results show there's something, but the answer isn't totally clear plus could be seen as contentious, especially where rights are concerned. Person searching goes to supervisor or manager, asking for advice, that supervisor or manager will usually reply "just say we haven't got em".
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Post by Christopher Perry on Oct 17, 2014 18:24:14 GMT
I agree Mark, people can be very lazy providing information or misinformation. I have suffered from that many times over the years.
But if you think Lostshows is wrong and more eps do exist, please send me the shelf ref numbers (or other proof), I will let ITV know they are wrong, and I will get Lostshows corrected. By the way Perivale closed over a year ago now. It's all at Leeds.
Kal can only work with the info we are given, and I agree sometimes it is given incomplete info. The ITN Source info was wrong, hence we had to check with rights.
Only yesterday I was told ITV hold all of The Corbett Follies. They have done for 20 years but its not on their computer system and is only logged on paper records. We have asked numerous times about that series and been told its junked except one.
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Post by simoncurtis on Oct 18, 2014 18:05:41 GMT
That's great, lovely, smashing - you can't beat a bit of Bully! (
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Post by Christopher Perry on Oct 24, 2014 11:16:15 GMT
The information we received last year from ITV they said was fully correct.
Mike, if you have more info about new finds - and I hope you do - please send a list of which eps you think they are, and I can check them out.
So far, despite me asking, the only list is allegedly what Challenge claim and they are wrong. We investigated their list and it didn't tally up.
If someone wants to email me at chris@lostshows.com I will send you a full list of Bullseye to help you match it all up.
Has anyone looked in the Bullseye listing in our LE Guide? Series 3 has 26 eps, series 4 has 31 eps, series 5 has 26 eps.
We have production numbers and shelf codes for every surviving ep so we can cross-check any info we are sent.
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Post by markboulton on Oct 24, 2014 16:47:02 GMT
So if indeed most of 1986 and a few surrounding are truly missing now, I wonder when this came about. You must agree, you'd expect any huge missing chunk to be the earlier series. Something must have gone badly wrong here, because even if there had been a deliberate cull due to the reasoning "it's only a game show", there would have been a smattering of episodes within that lot kept. But given how comprehensive Central's archiving was by this point, to have a big gap appear in 1986 but not so much before, or hardly after, just doesn't ring true. I worry that new dubs got sent somewhere for re-use and were never returned, or wiped in the belief they were clones (which they ought to have been, but I've heard of archive masters lent out on trust to save the time/expense of having clones made).
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Post by Charles Daniels on Oct 9, 2017 6:21:00 GMT
I've seen episode 1 of Bullseye three times So you don't need to worry about that That, and your money for charity, that's safe.
BUT, what about those other episodes?
Have those been gambled away by ITV to make room for a new speedboat?
Please don't let there be any missing episodes of Bullseye...please...oh please....
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Post by mikejones on Jan 4, 2018 15:02:06 GMT
Is ep1 defo safe? If that is the case then my mum know someone who might have first pilot then as there got a copy of it. He said it was never broadcast.
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Post by markboulton on Jan 29, 2018 10:48:52 GMT
As long as he didn't gamble it, Mike!!!😊
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