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Post by Ewan Montague on Mar 13, 2012 17:50:20 GMT
I saw a clip of the interview on the Eamonn Andrews show from 67 and a 70's or 80's version of the ruffian on the stairs and what the butler saw, but what other plays were on tv or radio and how many survive?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 10:01:42 GMT
I'd be keen to know where the Eamonn Andrews Show appearance turned up (on VT too, if I recall rightly), as there were only a couple of those thought to exist until not so long ago (and that wasn't one of them!).
I don't have a list of all his TV adaptations but two existing plays are The Erpingham Camp (Rediffusion, 1966, which i'd like to see myself as well) and Funeral Games (Yorkshire, 1968).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 11:07:02 GMT
I was absolutely stunned in the mid 90's when clips of Orton on Eamonn Andrews' show appeared in a Kenneth Williams documentary. More so seeing it was on VT. If ever there was an interview that should be made available for all to access, that is it. Kenneth Williams wrote in his diary about Joe appearing on an edition of "What's My Line" in 1967 which I think we can safely assume is missing presumed wiped.
Whilst one could imagine Orton being ideal fodder for "Late Night Line Up" the lack of visual evidence suggests he never appeared on that show or it's been wiped. Was he ever captured in any newsreel type feature?
What is amusing is Orton's diary reveals he actually used to watch "Doctor Who" since there is a reference in one entry in January or February 1967 where Orton states it was getting ever more ridiculous!
Otherwise, I too would be very interested and curious to know if any more footage exists of Orton or televised plays made and broadcast during his lifetime. "The Ruffian On The Stairs" I think was written for television in 1964, but no idea if that has survived or not.
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Post by Geoff Sear on Mar 14, 2012 12:15:40 GMT
If Eamonn Andrews show stuff is turning up unexpectedly, I really hope the Peter Cook and Zsa Zsa Gabor confrontation makes an appearance; I was just reading about it again last night and chuckling away, whilst bemoaning the fact that it doesn't exist to see.
Yeah, sorry, nothing to add about Orton, I'll be on my way...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 12:38:12 GMT
I was absolutely stunned in the mid 90's when clips of Orton on Eamonn Andrews' show appeared in a Kenneth Williams documentary. More so seeing it was on VT. If ever there was an interview that should be made available for all to access, that is it. Kenneth Williams wrote in his diary about Joe appearing on an edition of "What's My Line" in 1967 which I think we can safely assume is missing presumed wiped. I think it was Call My Bluff that he appeared on (What's My Line had ended by 1967). I'd guess it's wiped though. I'd like to know where the Andrews appearance turned up though (and where it resides). |
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Post by Ewan Montague on Mar 14, 2012 13:32:51 GMT
wasn't the ruffian on the stair a radio play as well? that may exist. I think it was a radio play first? at least it was in the prick up your ears tv play
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Post by Ewan Montague on Mar 14, 2012 13:35:38 GMT
If Eamonn Andrews show stuff is turning up unexpectedly, I really hope the Peter Cook and Zsa Zsa Gabor confrontation makes an appearance; I was just reading about it again last night and chuckling away, whilst bemoaning the fact that it doesn't exist to see. Yeah, sorry, nothing to add about Orton, I'll be on my way... after looking at the clip of the Eaman andrews show,I never realised he had a slight lisp, but since there's very little recorded thats no surprise. they joe and kenneth H, did some fake radio plays like Mrs dales diary on a reel to reel, I wonder if any of those exist either. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 13:43:33 GMT
"Call My Bluff!" That's the one... was a bit confused there! Had that survived, clips would had been used in Orton documentaries so... sadly gone I think. I'll bet there's next to nothing left of the show in the archives.
As for personal audio recordings, I'd guess if any existed they'd had passed through the hands of biographer John Lahr since he seemed to had been granted access to everything Orton left behind, so he'll be the man who will know if they exist or not.
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Post by Ewan Montague on Mar 14, 2012 13:57:41 GMT
probably not then, they probably re-used the same tape. Orton was a Dr who fan along with quite an odd selection of people including Syd Barrett and John Nash the "beautiful mind" mathematician. John Waters of Pink Floyd reckons that Syd based Interstellar overdrive on the theme tunes of Dr Who and Steptoe and son.
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Post by Geoff Sear on Mar 14, 2012 14:28:38 GMT
I'd read that someone was having a discussion with Syd about Love's version of 'My Little Red Book', and tried to sing how it went to him, and Syd trying to play from what was being sung to him resulted in the main Interstellar Overdrive riff...but I've also heard the Steptoe and Son thing, too! |
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Post by Ewan Montague on Mar 14, 2012 17:27:47 GMT
conversley I've also heard the my little red book story, but who knows? it was Syd, he who used to tell session musicians to play in a blue colour and give LSD to the cat, so anything is possible.
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Post by Ewan Montague on Mar 14, 2012 17:30:26 GMT
according to IMDB and that doesn't mean it's true the Eaman Andrews show was the only interview, but I'm sure he was on Dee Time or am I imagining it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 17:59:19 GMT
It's a few years since I last read the Orton Diaries but I don't recall any mention of Simon Dee in there. He definitely mentioned Eamonn Andrews and Call My Bluff but I can't remember if there were other TV shows he did in 1967 he mentioned. Of course, the diary only covered 1967 and the very last days of 1966, so goodness knows about any earlier TV from before then. A shame he didn't keep the diary until so late on since what there is, is intriguing. I do recall Kenneth Williams writing in his diary about Joe's Call My Bluff appearance saying he was in excellent entertaining form.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 21:30:10 GMT
I'd read that someone was having a discussion with Syd about Love's version of 'My Little Red Book', and tried to sing how it went to him, and Syd trying to play from what was being sung to him resulted in the main Interstellar Overdrive riff...but I've also heard the Steptoe and Son thing, too! I've got a Waters interview where he reckons that Interstellar is a combining of a track from Love's first L.P. and the Steptoe theme (which you can kind of hear in there). So it's probably this you're thinking of. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Mar 15, 2012 3:04:12 GMT
I'd be keen to know where the Eamonn Andrews Show appearance turned up (on VT too, if I recall rightly), as there were only a couple of those thought to exist until not so long ago (and that wasn't one of them!). I don't have a list of all his TV adaptations but two existing plays are The Erpingham Camp (Rediffusion, 1966, which i'd like to see myself as well) and Funeral Games (Yorkshire, 1968). Laurence, if there's anyway you can point me in the direction of the relevant Eamonn Andrews footage, I'd be grateful. |
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