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Post by telos on Mar 12, 2012 18:33:21 GMT
Has anyone here got the loose cannon reconstructions of the missing episodes?
Because honestly, they are so good I'm happy with what we’ve got at the moment.
If I were to swap any episodes though it would probably be only orphaned episodes for other orphaned episodes. e.g., enemy of the world part 3 for part 6 or the faceless ones parts 1 and 3 for parts 5 and 6. I'd rather have the last episodes of something than the first or middle ones.
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Post by John Wall on Mar 12, 2012 20:30:26 GMT
Can you recommend anything particularly good from LC ?
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Post by telos on Mar 12, 2012 21:22:06 GMT
Power of the daleks and Evil of the daleks are excellent as they both have a full set of telesnaps (as do most of Troughton’s missing episodes) and plenty of clips. But a personal favourite of mine is The Enemy of the World.
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Post by Greg H on Mar 12, 2012 21:40:30 GMT
I really enjoyed the LC recons of Fury and dalek masterplan. I came away from them feeling a lot more like I had seen the actual stories
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Post by John Harwood (bjblackpool) on Mar 12, 2012 23:03:48 GMT
Power of the daleks and Evil of the daleks are excellent as they both have a full set of telesnaps (as do most of Troughton’s missing episodes) and plenty of clips. But a personal favourite of mine is The Enemy of the World. I'm afraid the sequences where they use body doubles makes me mark down the Evil recon: whoever is doubling as Victoria is significantly chunkier than the young Debbie Watling, and I get a fit of the giggles. I'd say their masterpiece was The Massacre, closely followed by Marco Polo.
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Post by George D on Mar 13, 2012 5:40:57 GMT
I would trade most of the new series for the missing Hartnells and Troughtons. I agree Hartnell is well represented however I think his character evolved from the anti hero to the hero and we really are weak in his later entries. Also I think Troughton is at his peak in season 5 which has a very weak representation. While Im glad to have series 6, I think it had some padding issues, Too bad the NFT didnt request series 5 and we end up with telesnaps of the War Games. Still glad to have what we have though.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Mar 13, 2012 7:44:34 GMT
I would trade most of the new series for the missing Hartnells and Troughtons. I agree Hartnell is well represented however I think his character evolved from the anti hero to the hero and we really are weak in his later entries. Also I think Troughton is at his peak in season 5 which has a very weak representation. While Im glad to have series 6, I think it had some padding issues, Too bad the NFT didnt request series 5 and we end up with telesnaps of the War Games. Still glad to have what we have though. While I don't agree with swapping episodes in principle (then we'd be pinning for the eps we just swapped away), I agree with you we are missing some of the best Troughton stories. It's a shame that no one considered to retain at least one episode from each story as an example, possibly the last installment of each story (that would only be 50 episodes). Incidentally, with the option to retain certain episodes as examples of genre, do we know if they set out to retain a specific number or was it, like the rest of the time, a case of chance...?
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Post by Greg H on Mar 13, 2012 17:31:51 GMT
I would trade most of the new series for the missing Hartnells and Troughtons. I agree Hartnell is well represented however I think his character evolved from the anti hero to the hero and we really are weak in his later entries. Also I think Troughton is at his peak in season 5 which has a very weak representation. While Im glad to have series 6, I think it had some padding issues, Too bad the NFT didnt request series 5 and we end up with telesnaps of the War Games. Still glad to have what we have though. I would gladly swap every trace of the new/remake series for a 2 second clip of pretty much anything! Especially the Tennant years. They really dragged for me!
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Mar 13, 2012 17:45:53 GMT
Yes,but what if in 20 years time Matt Smith's or David Tennant's episodes were missing/junked?We would be aching to find those as well.It's all relative.Let the past be and let's look to the future.In time the new series will be looked on with the same passion that we have for the original series....
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Post by Greg H on Mar 13, 2012 17:58:50 GMT
Hmm, I don't know about that if i'm going to be completely candid. i think a lot of the new series will age very badly over the course of time. Now, bubble wrap monsters were and always will be bubble wrap monsters; the same applies to the quality of story writing. Well written stories will remain well written and poorly thought out stories will remain poorly thought out. I know this isn't really the place for a lengthy discusion about the relative merits of the new who series but I honestly think the majority of it was poorly written, poorly thought out and with an excess of soap opera and OTT performances. Contrast John Simm's pantomime performance with Delgado's restrained menace. As likeable as I find Matt Smith and as decent an actor I may consider him it still doesn't make the stories any good. Sorry if that causes any offence to fans of the new series, you ae entitled to your opinions!
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Mar 13, 2012 18:07:11 GMT
But Christpher Ecclestone's portrayal was sensational,surely....?That gave me goose bumps it was so good and as a re-boot of the series it couldn't be bettered.
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Post by Greg H on Mar 13, 2012 18:20:52 GMT
I have long been partial to Eccles as an actor and in all fairness he did a great job of working with what he was given. The bottom line for me if 'm completely honest is that the stories simply weren't any good! In my opinion they were heavy handed and poorly written and sprayed with an excessive ammount of soap opera elements that were, I guess, supposed to give the show heart but actually made me personally reach for the sick bucket. Not at all in keeping with the heart of the classic series. Take dalek for example. A completely inept script and a wonky concept. And the season finale of season 1, all of that glowing stuff coming out of Billie piper and the 'I am the bad wolf' monologue. I was in all honesty cringing my way through it after being cautiously excited at the shows return. I know a lot of people really love the new series but it was, imo, doomed from the moment Russell T Davies was allowed anywhere near it. I really don't know how that guy gets hired, such a poor writer! And whilst in the classic series we have the inovative electronic sounds of Delia Derbyshire et al, we have the bombastic tones of Murray Gold virtualy drowning out the dialogue......... Sorry to be so vitriolic about something I know other people enjoy, but I just dont dig the new series and I do like some modern telly as it goes, theres just not a great deal happening in Britain which is worth watching at the moment!!
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Mar 13, 2012 19:54:57 GMT
My 7 years old daughter loves it and watches THE EMPTY CHILD all the time...!
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Post by Greg H on Mar 13, 2012 20:01:47 GMT
My 7 years old daughter loves it and watches THE EMPTY CHILD all the time...! Fair play mate! I would never dispute your right to enjoy it I guess it could be argued that the new series is a bit more for the kids than the classic one. Maybe thats why I don't vibe on it. Doctor who was always a bit of a weekly event for all the family when I was a junior. I think it had appeal that tranceded age. Ah well, to each their own
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Richard Develyn
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Living in hope that more missing episodes will come back to us.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Mar 13, 2012 20:49:21 GMT
That first angel story of the new series was as good as any classic Doctor Who story has ever been, IMO, but after that I think of it as pretty much a different program.
Anyway, I was thinking the original question would be a bit more interesting if you could only swap episodes that aired within a month or two of each other.
For example, I wish we had Ice Warriors 1-4 instead of 1,4-6; Invasion 1-6 instead of 2,3,5-8.
Underwater Menace part 2 is a great find and I wouldn't swap it but part 3 I would love to swap for Macra part 2.
TP 3 I would swap for 4; Masterplan 10 for 11; RofT again I think we've got the wrong end of - I would like 1, 4-6 instead of 1-3 and 6.
Wheel 3 is good but Wheel 6 I'm not so sure on - Evil 1, which followed it, would of course be much better, but otherwise Wheel 1, rather than 2 (no Troughton), would be my choice.
The Airlock find is great, even though I would have preferred something from the Myth Makers, which is my favourite Hartnell story.
Richard
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