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Post by Steven Christopherson on Feb 26, 2012 6:16:43 GMT
Hi, long time viewer, really first time poster with anything that may matter.
My question is that why some of the 60's episodes of Who appeared in 35mm when most of the world at that time seemed to be taking 16mm film. What countries were taking 35mm?
Apologies if this is a done topic (or if it's been covered by Wiped)
Go easy on me I'm new at this thing
Steve
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Feb 26, 2012 7:24:28 GMT
What countries were taking 35mm? The United Kingdom. Broadcaster was BBC1. The 2" video tapes were telecined to 35 mm film for editing, and then originally transmitted from 35 mm film. BBC couldn't broadcast directly from 16 mm film ... quality too low ... it's not the colonies after all.  |
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Post by dennywilson on Feb 26, 2012 7:28:58 GMT
BBC couldn't broadcast directly from 16 mm film ... quality too low ... it's not the colonies after all. You mean 16mm telerecordings, that is |
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Feb 26, 2012 7:35:17 GMT
You mean 16mm telerecordings, that is I'm not aware of any missing Doctor Who episodes that were on 16 mm film that weren't telerecordings ... |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 26, 2012 8:04:23 GMT
There were a few case throughout the 1960s where VT recording machines apparently weren't available for the main recording sessions, so instead, the studio output was sent directly to a 35mm telerecording machine and the whole of that evening's studio work was recorded onto 35mm, which was the accepted BBC film format used for transmission. This was then edited and became the transmission master for that episode.
Material recorded directly onto film immediately became under the control of the Film Library rather than the Engineering Department (as per the videotapes) and the FL had a good record of keeping hold of material, so the majority of the 35mm master prints were retained.
Enterprises would have made the usual 16mm copies of the episodes, but as these would have always been inferior quality to the 35mm version, there wouldn't have been any perceived need to have held onto any 16mm telerecordings of those particular episodes.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 26, 2012 8:27:36 GMT
so the majority of the 35mm master prints were retained. Grumble grumble... Power of the Daleks 6... grumble grumble...  |
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Post by felixdembinski on Feb 26, 2012 12:21:15 GMT
Wheel in Space ep 6 and Space Pirates ep 2 only exist on 35mm film.
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Post by Simeon Carter on Feb 26, 2012 12:34:45 GMT
I believe they also junked Wheel In Space Ep 5 as well. Grumble grumble...
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Post by Peter Stirling on Feb 26, 2012 20:00:51 GMT
You mean 16mm telerecordings, that is I'm not aware of any missing Doctor Who episodes that were on 16 mm film that weren't telerecordings ... I think what Denny is sayings is that Dr.Who was not transmitted from 16mm telerecordings in the UK? The UK could not send VTRs to other countries (at the time) because around 1952 the BBC decided to lumber the UK with the old 405 line system, while incredibly??? promoting and helping set up a 625 line system for Europe. Certainly many imported programmes from Australasia and the US (that were originally made on 35mm) were transmitted in the UK on 16mm. Some feature films were too that were originally widescreen, were squashed to 16mm to save the dreaded live 'pan and scanning'. |
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Post by Steven Christopherson on Feb 27, 2012 6:39:57 GMT
Thanks for the information! Although a bit confusing, it seems that primarily UK based broadcast quality telerecordings were done in 35mm, while export quality telerecordings were done in 16mm. So the last handful of 35mm episodes we have are the rarest of the rare
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Post by Steven Sigel on Feb 27, 2012 16:25:20 GMT
You mean 16mm telerecordings, that is I'm not aware of any missing Doctor Who episodes that were on 16 mm film that weren't telerecordings ... Spearhead from Space. |
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Post by John Wall on Feb 27, 2012 16:30:18 GMT
I'm not aware of any missing Doctor Who episodes that were on 16 mm film that weren't telerecordings ... Spearhead from Space. I didn't know that was missing ? |
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Post by Steven Sigel on Feb 27, 2012 22:20:29 GMT
ah - missed the 'missing' bit.
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Post by John Wall on Feb 27, 2012 23:18:30 GMT
ah - missed the 'missing' bit. Very Rumsfeldian |
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