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Post by John Wall on Feb 13, 2012 0:05:29 GMT
This forum is, not surprisingly, populated with people who are interested in seeing the number of missing episodes of Dr Who reduced.
A popular pastime seems to be predicting which story/episode is most likely to be recovered. Marco Polo appears to be a popular candidate, based on the number of countries that bought/screened it. However, in some parts of the world prints were "bicycled" between broadcasters meaning that what looks like multiple sales - and prints - could be only a single print.
The only missing episode for which no print is known is "The Feast of Stephen" although it's possible that a viewing print might have been made.
So, does anybody have any idea as to how many prints were actually made of the various missing episodes ?
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 13, 2012 0:19:30 GMT
Without knowing what is in Richard Molesworth's Wiped! reference book (cos I'm a slacker and still haven't bought it yet...) I'd say there was probably only half a dozen ever at any one time, and that's being generous.
The Dalek Master Plan probably only had two copies (stored field and suppressed field versions).
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 13, 2012 0:21:24 GMT
If you wanted to go all "flashforward" and created a mosiac on a big wall of sales, countries and stories connected with bits of string then you could scroll through the Broadwcast website and join the dots. broadwcast.org/ |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 13, 2012 0:41:46 GMT
The Dalek Master Plan probably only had two copies (stored field and suppressed field versions). The ex-Australian Air Lock was Stored Field, so TDMP would have also only ever been as a Stored Field T/R. |
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 13, 2012 0:51:33 GMT
The Dalek Master Plan probably only had two copies (stored field and suppressed field versions). The ex-Australian Air Lock was Stored Field, so TDMP would have also only ever been as a Stored Field T/R. I was just reading the article here (see Conspiracy Theory 2): gallifreybase.com/w/index.php/The_Celestial_ToymakerIt's possible that Telerecordings of all serials, from Galaxy 4 onwards (including The Daleks Master Plan, and The Celestial Toymaker), were originally made during transmission using the Suppressed Field process. The ABC was offered the new batch of serials, which comprised 20 episodes, from Galaxy 4 to The Daleks Master Plan, in March 1966. However, by the time the ABC finalised the purchase of that batch, and the next (The Massacre onwards), the BBC had switched over to using the new Stored Field process. The BBC therefore made fresh Stored Field telerecordings of all those serials in August (including Galaxy 4, The Daleks Master Plan, and The Celestial Toymaker), and duly despatched them to BBC Sydney. The unused Stored Field recordings were subsequently junked. (This might explain why the surviving prints of those stories are all Stored Field rather than Suppressed Field.) |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 13, 2012 2:01:18 GMT
The ex-Australian Air Lock was Stored Field, so TDMP would have also only ever been as a Stored Field T/R. I was just reading the article here (see Conspiracy Theory 2): gallifreybase.com/w/index.php/The_Celestial_ToymakerIt's possible that Telerecordings of all serials, from Galaxy 4 onwards (including The Daleks Master Plan, and The Celestial Toymaker), were originally made during transmission using the Suppressed Field process. The ABC was offered the new batch of serials, which comprised 20 episodes, from Galaxy 4 to The Daleks Master Plan, in March 1966. However, by the time the ABC finalised the purchase of that batch, and the next (The Massacre onwards), the BBC had switched over to using the new Stored Field process. The BBC therefore made fresh Stored Field telerecordings of all those serials in August (including Galaxy 4, The Daleks Master Plan, and The Celestial Toymaker), and duly despatched them to BBC Sydney. The unused Stored Field recordings were subsequently junked. (This might explain why the surviving prints of those stories are all Stored Field rather than Suppressed Field.) Ah, yes, I wrote that theory (with alot of emphasis on that particular word!) before it was known that Air Lock definitely came from Australia, but in light of other factors there is no reason for BOTH formats to have been used. I really should revise it yet again to remove the ambiguity... |
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 13, 2012 3:05:51 GMT
I was just reading the article here (see Conspiracy Theory 2): gallifreybase.com/w/index.php/The_Celestial_ToymakerIt's possible that Telerecordings of all serials, from Galaxy 4 onwards (including The Daleks Master Plan, and The Celestial Toymaker), were originally made during transmission using the Suppressed Field process. The ABC was offered the new batch of serials, which comprised 20 episodes, from Galaxy 4 to The Daleks Master Plan, in March 1966. However, by the time the ABC finalised the purchase of that batch, and the next (The Massacre onwards), the BBC had switched over to using the new Stored Field process. The BBC therefore made fresh Stored Field telerecordings of all those serials in August (including Galaxy 4, The Daleks Master Plan, and The Celestial Toymaker), and duly despatched them to BBC Sydney. The unused Stored Field recordings were subsequently junked. (This might explain why the surviving prints of those stories are all Stored Field rather than Suppressed Field.) Ah, yes, I wrote that theory (with alot of emphasis on that particular word!) before it was known that Air Lock definitely came from Australia, but in light of other factors there is no reason for BOTH formats to have been used. I really should revise it yet again to remove the ambiguity... No no, keep it in, it stirs the conspiracy theorists! |
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Post by Joshua Watson on Feb 13, 2012 9:49:58 GMT
Hope this doesn't make me sound stupid, but could other countries have made copies of the ones they had???
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 13, 2012 9:56:57 GMT
There was no reason for them to do so.
If they had legitimately purchased the rights to show the episode, there wouldn't have been any purpose in duplicating a telerecording.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 13, 2012 18:31:55 GMT
Australia is the only country known to sometimes use multiple copies to cater for regional screenings. It's not 100% certain that those copies were made locally, however. It's just as likely that the BBC supplied the duplicates to order.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Feb 13, 2012 18:46:12 GMT
I think that it's been determined that prints were NOT made in Australia.
I don't think that very many prints were made - my guess is that there might have been an initial run of a couple of copies of each to have them on hand, then they would have printed additional prints as needed.
The scarcity of 1960s/70s prints of even 'existing' episodes in private collections argues that there were very few made... The more made, the more that would have escaped into the wild so to speak...
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 13, 2012 19:36:46 GMT
The scarcity of 1960s/70s prints of even 'existing' episodes in private collections argues that there were very few made... The more made, the more that would have escaped into the wild so to speak... Or the more that would've been junked. |
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