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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 3, 2012 8:04:21 GMT
Lost episode was 1991, but the last Dr Who episode recovered from a broadcaster was 1995 (ABC in Australia returned an unedited copy of The Dominators 5). Just sayin'. Forgot about that. But didn't the BFI already hold an unedited FR Negative on Episode #5? Nope, it had cuts to it, although I need to double check my sources (and get a copy of Wiped! dammit) to see what year it came back - was it 94 or 95?.
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Post by Richard Marple on Feb 3, 2012 13:28:41 GMT
I don't think every Blue Peter survives, according to one side hardly any before 1964, then a fair amount until the early 1970s, then almost edition after that, though some only exist as viewing copies IIRC.
Most of the 1980s Sunday omnibus editions have been wiped, though if the original tapes survive that's not too bad.
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Post by nicholas young on Feb 4, 2012 3:00:43 GMT
It's just as well some of the Blue Peter episodes do survive otherwise we would'nt have clips from otherwise missing Dr.Who episodes i.e the first regeneration from The Tenth Planet 4. Swings and roundabouts I guess.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 4, 2012 9:12:37 GMT
But didn't the BFI already hold an unedited FR Negative on Episode #5?Nope, it had cuts to it, although I need to double check my sources (and get a copy of Wiped! dammit) to see what year it came back - was it 94 or 95?. The BFI held the original telerecording negative, which was complete and uncut. It was the copy that the BBC held in the F&VT Archive that had the censor cuts.
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Post by dennywilson on Feb 6, 2012 1:36:56 GMT
But didn't the BFI already hold an unedited FR Negative on Episode #5?Nope, it had cuts to it, although I need to double check my sources (and get a copy of Wiped! dammit) to see what year it came back - was it 94 or 95?. The BFI held the original telerecording negative, which was complete and uncut. It was the copy that the BBC held in the F&VT Archive that had the censor cuts. So it was never a big deal that an uncut print came back when the telerecording negative was uncur safe and sound. Reminded me of the fact when they reissued the B&W stories in the 1980's some of the episodes came from the lesser quality positives that were in the FL and not the better quality positives/negatives from Ent/BFI Two major examples are the episodes with War Games with water damage and Episode 5 of Keys of Marinus! Same with some of the B&W pertwee episodes where they used the positives on hand rather than going back to the better-quality negatives.
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Post by B Thomas on Feb 6, 2012 9:30:42 GMT
So it was never a big deal that an uncut print came back when the telerecording negative was uncur safe and sound. Reminded me of the fact when they reissued the B&W stories in the 1980's some of the episodes came from the lesser quality positives that were in the FL and not the better quality positives/negatives from Ent/BFI Two major examples are the episodes with War Games with water damage and Episode 5 of Keys of Marinus! Same with some of the B&W pertwee episodes where they used the positives on hand rather than going back to the better-quality negatives. Was ep5 the part where they are in the icy cold with the trapper. I remember that being very rough indeed. No, that's episode 4. Episode 5 is the one with the courtroom drama (easily the best episode of the whole 6).
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Feb 7, 2012 5:03:05 GMT
A long shot only something with a RTS / Singapore connection maybe. But we shall see.....
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Post by paulwhitewick on Feb 7, 2012 7:33:03 GMT
A long shot only something with a RTS / Singapore connection maybe. But we shall see..... Is a similar search planned for Singapore a la the African search? Reading "Wiped" I see that Singapore was the last country to purchase some episodes and am aware that they were contacted after the return of "Tomb" and replied in the negative. Thanks. Paul.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 7, 2012 7:51:22 GMT
But didn't the BFI already hold an unedited FR Negative on Episode #5?Nope, it had cuts to it, although I need to double check my sources (and get a copy of Wiped! dammit) to see what year it came back - was it 94 or 95?. The BFI held the original telerecording negative, which was complete and uncut. It was the copy that the BBC held in the F&VT Archive that had the censor cuts. When was it discovered that the BFI had a complete copy? It's true that the return of the episode in the mid-nineties made that episode complete for the BBC but... why did they need to bother? Or was it the case of a similar situation like The War Games DVD prep; unless someone actually asked the BFI for the original they were none the wiser.
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Feb 8, 2012 0:19:53 GMT
I can't understand if BFI exists and they want copies of all films created in the UK then why wouldn't they have copies?
Has anyone ever checked with the BFBS?
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Post by erikborja on Feb 8, 2012 4:00:06 GMT
I have to ask. Has any material, that has been returned to the BBC, in which both the BBC and the archive or tv station knew they never ever requested it.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 8, 2012 7:55:09 GMT
I can't understand if BFI exists and they want copies of all films created in the UK then why wouldn't they have copies? They might want material for their archive, but they still have to pay to acquire it - and the BFI has a very limited budget to spend, hence it has always had to cherry-pick the material it wants copies of.
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Feb 8, 2012 11:35:13 GMT
I can't understand if BFI exists and they want copies of all films created in the UK then why wouldn't they have copies? They might want material for their archive, but they still have to pay to acquire it - and the BFI has a very limited budget to spend, hence it has always had to cherry-pick the material it wants copies of. I see not enough funds, as for the BFBS supposedly junked everything they had.
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Post by Glen Cowan on Feb 14, 2012 3:08:28 GMT
Hi Brad, I remember seeing that TVNZ 25th Anniversary Special as a kid, I also have some of that same broadcast recorded on some beta tapes I got years ago. Was there anything interesting on those quad tapes? I've also got some episodes of "Inside Straight" which was a comedy/drama about two taxi drivers that would always get themselves into strife somehow. Was filmed in Wellington during the 1980's. Cheers Glen On another site people are reminiscing about the Television Centre.Tales of "tapes stacked in lines down the edges of the corridor because the library wasn't big enough",and former or non employees getting in with any old bit of laminated card. How secure were these tapes? During the wiping period it must've been very hard to resist the urge to take them, OR take the risk, nick a tape and put 'wiped' on the form. I work in TV and it's really hard to erase stuff (although funnily enough that's part of my job). When we had a clear out of our archive a couple of years ago (NOTHING was Doctor Who, I checked, don't ask I grabbed a few 405-line 2" quad tapes (the same used by Doctor Who) and a few 1" tapes for posterity. Just seemed wrong to biff them. I currently own the original TVNZ 1" broadcast tape of their own 25th anniversary special!
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 14, 2012 7:47:38 GMT
Hi Brad, I remember seeing that TVNZ 25th Anniversary Special as a kid, I also have some of that same broadcast recorded on some beta tapes I got years ago. Was there anything interesting on those quad tapes? I've also got some episodes of "Inside Straight" which was a comedy/drama about two taxi drivers that would always get themselves into strife somehow. Was filmed in Wellington during the 1980's. Cheers Glen During the wiping period it must've been very hard to resist the urge to take them, OR take the risk, nick a tape and put 'wiped' on the form. I work in TV and it's really hard to erase stuff (although funnily enough that's part of my job). When we had a clear out of our archive a couple of years ago (NOTHING was Doctor Who, I checked, don't ask I grabbed a few 405-line 2" quad tapes (the same used by Doctor Who) and a few 1" tapes for posterity. Just seemed wrong to biff them. I currently own the original TVNZ 1" broadcast tape of their own 25th anniversary special! Most of the quad tapes were technical calibration testers left over from our engineering dept. A couple were tv shows, but one interesting one (and I have no way to check it because the only functional 2" player in New Zealand I know of is over 1000km away from me) was labelled 'tx commercials' and dated early 1966. I've checked the transmission dates and it falls within the 17 month gap when no Dr Who was on air, so not likely to have any Dr Who TVCs. The 1" tapes I only saved the TVNZ special and one other, which was a show we made and had already transferred to DigiBeta anyway.
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