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Post by David Cann on Jan 16, 2012 8:23:59 GMT
Yes, thanks for the information, Aron - it's interesting that Mormon churches had their own film libraries, albeit of mostly religious films! Very interesting... and not what I'd have expected. This may go a long way to explaining why those two episodes of 'Masterplan' were supposedly found in a Mormon basement - the story seems to make sense a bit more now. Thanks!
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Post by George D on Jan 16, 2012 13:24:28 GMT
LIke he said maybe different morman churches have different film libraies to explore.
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Post by alexwdmn on Feb 17, 2012 12:08:24 GMT
(There was another programme in the Fury from the Deep can, but no one seems to have kept note of what that was!) Does occur to me that if the films were accidentally muddled up and stored in the wrong can, the Fury From The Deep episode could still be languishing in the BBC 's film archive. If we knew what was found in the Fury can, we would know which film can may hold it! (Unless ofcourse the whole film collection has now been transferred to digital tape?) N.B. Couldn't the same apply to those two film cans found in New Zealand's TV film archive?
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 17, 2012 16:07:54 GMT
(There was another programme in the Fury from the Deep can, but no one seems to have kept note of what that was!) Does occur to me that if the films were accidentally muddled up and stored in the wrong can, the Fury From The Deep episode could still be languishing in the BBC 's film archive. If we knew what was found in the Fury can, we would know which film can may hold it! (Unless ofcourse the whole film collection has now been transferred to digital tape?) N.B. Couldn't the same apply to those two film cans found in New Zealand's TV film archive? Haven't the BBC done a complete inventory within the last twenty years of all the 16mm and 35mm films they have? That film in the Doctor Who can was a potential lead if the films were put inside the wrong cans by accident. When clues like that turn up and are lost, it is like losing potential evidence at a crime scene.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 17, 2012 16:58:50 GMT
N.B. Couldn't the same apply to those two film cans found in New Zealand's TV film archive? One ofthe two cans was empty, the other had a locally-made programme in it. As for all the other films kept in the storage facility (please, I wish people would stop calling these "archives" when they aren't!), all were disposed of circa 1993.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 18, 2012 0:45:34 GMT
N.B. Couldn't the same apply to those two film cans found in New Zealand's TV film archive? It also sounds like we only had one "archive".
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Feb 18, 2012 2:24:51 GMT
N.B. Couldn't the same apply to those two film cans found in New Zealand's TV film archive? It also sounds like we only had one "archive". At least you had copies at one time here in North America we never had them but now I wouldn't be surprised if they could be here but doubtful.
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Post by LanceM on Feb 18, 2012 4:26:43 GMT
The two episodes of The Dalek Masterplan were discovered in a wooden crate ( with a BBC Emblem Emblazoned on the front as the story goes). However, this bit of logic is a tad flawed. In that the Mormon church where these were discovered was EX-BBC property. The Church purchased this property from the BBC, then discovered these hidden in the cellar.
Instead of trying to search the cellar of every church in the UK, why not start at the beginning?
By trying to ascertain exactly what was sold off by the BBC ( property wise ). See if any of these were, or ever had any part in the handling or processing of film or VT material. And then go from there. Would think this avenue of researching might turn up some possible ideas-theories-thoughts in regards. As is something I have been thinking about for some time now.
Thoughts?
Cheers, Lance.
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Post by alexwdmn on Feb 18, 2012 4:30:14 GMT
One ofthe two cans was empty, the other had a locally-made programme in it. Just out of interest, did you manage to track down the can where this locally-made programme should've been stored? And do you know when the programme was produced?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 18, 2012 16:17:42 GMT
One ofthe two cans was empty, the other had a locally-made programme in it. Just out of interest, did you manage to track down the can where this locally-made programme should've been stored? And do you know when the programme was produced? Film cans were reused over and over, so that can was where that programme should've been stored. I don't know the date.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 18, 2012 16:38:01 GMT
The two episodes of The Dalek Masterplan were discovered in a wooden crate ( with a BBC Emblem Emblazoned on the front as the story goes). Where did the bit about the wooden crate come from, Lance? Not heard that one before and it certainly wasn't mentioned by Steve Bryant who dealt with the call. He just said that it was a small pile of film cans which happened to include the two DMP episodes, an episode of Warship and a couple of other miscellaneous prints.
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Post by nicholas young on Feb 18, 2012 20:52:08 GMT
The two episodes of The Dalek Masterplan were discovered in a wooden crate ( with a BBC Emblem Emblazoned on the front as the story goes). However, this bit of logic is a tad flawed. In that the Mormon church where these were discovered was EX-BBC property. The Church purchased this property from the BBC, then discovered these hidden in the cellar. Instead of trying to search the cellar of every church in the UK, why not start at the beginning? By trying to ascertain exactly what was sold off by the BBC ( property wise ). See if any of these were, or ever had any part in the handling or processing of film or VT material. And then go from there. Would think this avenue of researching might turn up some possible ideas-theories-thoughts in regards. As is something I have been thinking about for some time now. Thoughts? Cheers, Lance. Very interesting and clever idea, but would I be right in assuming that EX-BBC properties would have been thoroughly checked by now, especially after the two episodes of TDMP were discovered in the Mormon church ?
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Feb 18, 2012 22:07:34 GMT
The two episodes of The Dalek Masterplan were discovered in a wooden crate ( with a BBC Emblem Emblazoned on the front as the story goes). However, this bit of logic is a tad flawed. In that the Mormon church where these were discovered was EX-BBC property. The Church purchased this property from the BBC, then discovered these hidden in the cellar. Instead of trying to search the cellar of every church in the UK, why not start at the beginning? By trying to ascertain exactly what was sold off by the BBC ( property wise ). See if any of these were, or ever had any part in the handling or processing of film or VT material. And then go from there. Would think this avenue of researching might turn up some possible ideas-theories-thoughts in regards. As is something I have been thinking about for some time now. Thoughts? Cheers, Lance. Very interesting and clever idea, but would I be right in assuming that EX-BBC properties would have been thoroughly checked by now, especially after the two episodes of TDMP were discovered in the Mormon church ? Don't assume anything with finding Dr. Who......History has shown this....
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Post by nicholas young on Feb 18, 2012 23:45:02 GMT
Very interesting and clever idea, but would I be right in assuming that EX-BBC properties would have been thoroughly checked by now, especially after the two episodes of TDMP were discovered in the Mormon church ? Don't assume anything with finding Dr. Who......History has shown this.... Oh I quite agree, but it would be incredible and rather sad to think that at the time when TDMP episodes were found no-one at the BBC had thought to search other EX-BBC properties to verify if any other lost material was in existence. Still LanceM's idea is good and if it has'nt been already done perhaps it is an avenue that needs to be explored-how many times have people moved into a property found something left behind by previous occupants thrown it away or given away ?
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 19, 2012 0:42:05 GMT
The two episodes of The Dalek Masterplan were discovered in a wooden crate ( with a BBC Emblem Emblazoned on the front as the story goes). Where did the bit about the wooden crate come from, Lance? Not heard that one before and it certainly wasn't mentioned by Steve Bryant who dealt with the call. He just said that it was a small pile of film cans which happened to include the two DMP episodes, an episode of Warship and a couple of other miscellaneous prints. If memory serves, it sounds like the Peter Haining story in the 25 Glorious Years book. It mentions a 'crate' of some sort.
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