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Post by ethantyler on Jan 19, 2005 0:27:18 GMT
Does anyone know anything about the "junking era" in relation to Doom Watch? Have any episodes that were originally thought lost forever since been recovered? Why does the unbroadcast episode, Sex and Violence, exist whilst episodes that were broadcast don't? Were any episodes preserved from being "junked"? I notice that only three episodes from the third season exist (including the unbroadcast episode), could it be that these episodes were selected for preservation or is it due to luck that they exist?
I haven't ever heard a single piece of information about Doom Watch in relation to missing episodes. Haven't there ever been any rumours regarding possible episode recoveries? Or is it just that not many people know much about the series through lack of commercial releases and broadcasts and probably don't even realise that there are missing episodes?
Whilst on the subject of commercial releases, does anyone know why the second DVD volume (The Red Sky/You Killed Toby Wren) was never released and why the relases have apparently been abandonded? Also, why were those two episodes chosen over Project Sahara and Re-Entry Forbidden, which are the next two surviving episodes after The Plastic Eaters and Tomorrow, The Rat (Volume 1).
Whilst the quality of the first DVD volume certainly didn't impress me, the actual episodes themselves did and I would love to own the remaining existing episodes on DVD. I'm hoping that the releases have been put on hold so that the Restoration Team can use their extraordinary talents on the releases. The first DVD volume had embarrsingly little effort put into it (proven by the fact that there were only two chapters on the DVD and both were the start of an episode).
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Post by ethantyler on Jan 19, 2005 0:41:18 GMT
To answer my own question (in part), I've just read on the BBC Treasure Hunt web-site that the following 525 Line videotapes were received from abroad:
1.4 - Tomorrow, The Rat
1.10 - Train and De-Train
2.1 - You Killed Toby Wren
2.2 - Invasion
2.3 - The Islanders
2.4 - No Room for Error
2.5 - By the Pricking of My Thumbs
2.6 - The Iron Doctor
2.7 - Flight into Yesterday
2.8 - The Web of Fear
2.9 - Into the Dark
2.10 - The Human Time Bomb
2.11 - The Inquest
2.12 - The Logicians
Does anyone know which country they were recovered from (and how)?
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Post by Laurence Piper on Jan 19, 2005 9:54:53 GMT
I think the second series was returned from Canada in the mid '80s (before that, only b/w copies survived). Not sure why / how those series 1 episodes managed to survive in colour though.
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Post by ethantyler on Jan 20, 2005 1:14:31 GMT
Thanks.
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Post by ianj on Jan 20, 2005 22:42:26 GMT
 werent all these doomwatch episodes shown on UKMOULD (GOLD) in the early 1990s............? ianj
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Post by ethantyler on Jan 21, 2005 0:35:13 GMT
I doubt it since fourteen are missing (see: www.bbc.co.uk/cult/treasurehunt/missing/doomwatch.shtml), but it would be great if they did exist and no one had noticed.  I'm sure their recovery would prompt a DVD release too, which I'd be more than happy about! Do you know if an episode called Sex and Violence was broadcast on UKGold? I've read conflicting statements suggesting that it has been broadcast and that it hasn't been broadcast. I know it hasn't been broadcast on terrestrial television because it features footage of a real military execution. |
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Post by ethantyler on Jan 21, 2005 0:37:36 GMT
Whist we're on the subject of Doom Watch (I'm obsessed with it at the moment, in case you haven't noticed), does anyone know how much - if anything - was recorded of 3.13 - The Devil's Demolition, the episode in production when the series was canceled, and does the footage survive? I can't imagine the footage surviving the junking, but then the unaired episode survived.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Jan 21, 2005 1:21:03 GMT
All the surviving episodes were definitely screened by UK Gold (I have the recordings to prove it) - I have a feeling that the odd one or two weren't . Sex And Violence definitely wasn't .
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Post by Gareth R on Jan 21, 2005 10:25:52 GMT
does anyone know why the second DVD volume (The Red Sky/You Killed Toby Wren) was never released and why the relases have apparently been abandonded? When something like this happens, it's usually because sales simply weren't good enough. |
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Post by Ian Beard on Jan 21, 2005 17:58:12 GMT
All the existing DOOMWATCH episodes turned up on UKGold, except SEX AND VIOLENCE, albeit a few were edited down by a minute or so.
There was a problem getting the rights to THE LOGICIANS, so that one turned up out of sequence.
As to why certain episodes survive and others don't, then, like a lot of programmes, it seems to just the "luck of the draw".
There's a fuller thread on the series and repeats on the Maus. Club site - but you'll have to doa search for it.
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Post by Graham B on Jan 21, 2005 19:32:14 GMT
I doubt it since fourteen are missing (see: www.bbc.co.uk/cult/treasurehunt/missing/doomwatch.shtml), but it would be great if they did exist and no one had noticed. I'm sure their recovery would prompt a DVD release too, which I'd be more than happy about! Do you know if an episode called Sex and Violence was broadcast on UKGold? I've read conflicting statements suggesting that it has been broadcast and that it hasn't been broadcast. I know it hasn't been broadcast on terrestrial television because it features footage of a real military execution. Interestingly the existing Sex and Violence master tape includes unused footage at the end of the tape of reaction shots of the people watching the film of the execution, which could have been edited in instead of showing the scene from the actual film. It was clearly thought to be a sensitive area during production and editing. Of course this unused footage could still be utilised as replacement footage if a DVD issue was ever considered. |
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Post by Brian Fretwell on Jan 21, 2005 21:14:53 GMT
A possible source of confusion could be that Sex and Violence was should at the National Film Theatre in the 90's. I don't know if it was anywhere around the time of the UKGold airing.
People there though June Brown was trying out her Dot Cotton role with her character.
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Post by Nosmo King on Jan 22, 2005 20:33:27 GMT
[quote author=ethantyler
Do you know if an episode called Sex and Violence was broadcast on UKGold? I've read conflicting statements suggesting that it has been broadcast and that it hasn't been broadcast. I know it hasn't been broadcast on terrestrial television because it features footage of a real military execution.[/quote]
The execution footage seems to have been a commom misconception as to why the episode was not screened - one I believed for some time!
Apparently the real reason is that the commitee shown in the story mirrored tfar oo closely the one that was set up in reality to examine "standards" I think in the early 70s ... including Mary Whitehouse, Lord Longford and Cliff Richard ... it's not hard to extrapolate some of the fictional characters in "Sex and Violence" and notice the similarity! The BBC lawyers were probably fearing legal action had the programme been screened.
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Post by Nosmo King on Jan 22, 2005 20:34:49 GMT
A possible source of confusion could be that Sex and Violence was should at the National Film Theatre in the 90's. I don't know if it was anywhere around the time of the UKGold airing. People there though June Brown was trying out her Dot Cotton role with her character. Yes it was on a double bill at the NFT with the "Survivors" New World" ... early to mid 90s |
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werent all these doomwatch episodes shown on UKMOULD (GOLD) in the early 1990s............? ianj
I'm sure their recovery would prompt a DVD release too, which I'd be more than happy about!