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Post by richardfitzgerald on Nov 8, 2011 8:32:54 GMT
I posted this on the Mausoleum Club forum yesterday to (literally) zero response so maybe I'm the last person to hear but....... On Sunday's broadcast (6/11/11) Sir Patrick Moore ended the programme by announced a special treat - an edition of the show from the early Sixties had been recovered, one that contained a studio interview with Arthur C Clarke on the subject of manned Moonbases! A brief clip was shown, which suggested the print was of very good condition. (By the way the episode will be repeated this coming Thursday on BBC Four if you missed it.)
An historic find - I wonder is this what was alluded to in the latest BFI booklet as the "special treat for science fiction fans" at the December MBW event?
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Post by Rich Cornock on Nov 8, 2011 9:19:36 GMT
thats Brilliant news
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2011 10:05:50 GMT
That's very pleasing to know, especially given that Clarke is featured in it. Do you know where the print comes from, Richard?
As it was a while ago now but might still be of interest, here's a re-listing of what's in the Sky At Night archive, as posted here by Andrew Martin:
THE SKY AT NIGHT............................... 17/09/58 THE SKY AT NIGHT:URANUS........................ 11/05/60 THE SKY AT NIGHT............................... 27/09/60 THE SKY AT NIGHT............................... 24/04/61 THE SKY AT NIGHT:50TH PROGRAMME................ 21/08/61 THE SKY AT NIGHT............................... 22/11/61 THE SKY AT NIGHT:KEEPING SPACE CLEAN........... 10/09/62 THE SKY AT NIGHT:ECLIPSE OF THE SUN............ 21/07/63 THE SKY AT NIGHT............................... 13/08/63 THE SKY AT NIGHT:ARTHUR C. CLARKE........... 10/09/63 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE MOON...................... 05/06/64 THE SKY AT NIGHT:COMMUNICATING WITH OTHER .... 23/07/65 THE SKY AT NIGHT............................... 08/08/66 THE SKY AT NIGHT:TEN YEARS OF ASTRONOMY........ 28/04/67 THE SKY AT NIGHT:LORD ROSSE'S GREAT TELESCOPE.. 21/07/67 THE SKY AT NIGHT:CAMERAS ROUND THE MOON........ 12/10/67 THE SKY AT NIGHT:VENUS OBSERVED................ 10/11/67 THE SKY AT NIGHT:METEORS....................... 07/12/67 THE SKY AT NIGHT:FLIGHTS OF SPACE FANCY........ 26/04/68 THE SKY AT NIGHT:PULSARS....................... 19/07/68 THE SKY AT NIGHT:SIBERIAN ECLIPSE OF THE SUN... 09/09/68 THE SKY AT NIGHT:ECLIPSE....................... 07/10/68 THE SKY AT NIGHT:VENUS:THE HOT PLANET.......... 02/12/68 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE MOON...................... 27/01/69 THE SKY AT NIGHT:WHEN VENUS CROSSES THE SUN.... 16/06/69 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE SKY AT NIGHT SPECIAL: .... 03/08/69 THE SKY AT NIGHT:MOONQUAKES.................... 18/08/69 THE SKY AT NIGHT:RELATIVITY.................... 09/09/69 THE SKY AT NIGHT:MOON ROCK..................... 12/01/70 THE SKY AT NIGHT:ORION......................... 27/01/70 THE SKY AT NIGHT:TOTAL ECLIPSE IN MEXICO....... 07/03/70 THE SKY AT NIGHT:WHEN MERCURY CROSSES THE SUN.. 28/04/70 THE SKY AT NIGHT:BACK GARDEN OBSERVATORY....... 26/05/70 THE SKY AT NIGHT:STEERING BY THE STARS......... 16/06/70 THE SKY AT NIGHT:ASTRONOMERS IN THE SPACE AGE.. 25/08/70 THE SKY AT NIGHT:ROCKETS TO THE PLANETS........ 14/10/70 THE SKY AT NIGHT:INFRA RED ASTRONOMY........... 18/11/70 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE APPROACH OF MARS.......... 13/01/71 THE SKY AT NIGHT:RUSSIAN PROBES................ 03/02/71 THE SKY AT NIGHT:ORBITING SPACE-STATIONS....... 08/06/71 THE SKY AT NIGHT:TRACING THE STARS............. 30/06/71 THE SKY AT NIGHT:HOW FAR ARE THE STARS?........ 21/07/71 THE SKY AT NIGHT:MARS COMES CLOSE.............. 18/08/71 THE SKY AT NIGHT:TARGET MARS................... 17/11/71 THE SKY AT NIGHT:A TELESCOPE COMES HOME........ 08/12/71 THE SKY AT NIGHT:MARS-A DYNAMIC WORLD.......... 01/03/72 THE SKY AT NIGHT:FIFTEENTH ANNIVERSARY......... 12/04/72 THE SKY AT NIGHT:MIDSUMMER AND MEGALITHS....... 21/06/72 THE SKY AT NIGHT:TYCHO'S STAR.................. 04/12/72 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE ECLIPSE OF THE CENTURY.... 02/04/73 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE AFRICAN ECLIPSE........... 11/07/73 THE SKY AT NIGHT:NAVIGATIONAL ASTRONOMY........ 01/08/73 THE SKY AT NIGHT:VENUS:A CRATERED WORLD........ 29/08/73 THE SKY AT NIGHT:MOON ILLUSION................. 18/09/73 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE VOLCANOES OF MARS......... 17/10/73 THE SKY AT NIGHT:LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE.......... 15/05/74 THE SKY AT NIGHT:LORD ROSSE'S TELESCOPE........ 02/10/74 THE SKY AT NIGHT:EROS-WANDERER IN SPACE........ 26/11/74 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE YEAR OF THE PLANETS....... 18/12/74 THE SKY AT NIGHT:ORION,THE HUNTER.............. 06/01/75 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE NEW NORTHERN HEMISPHERE... 06/02/75 THE SKY AT NIGHT:ALGOL:THE WINKING DEMON....... 05/03/75 THE SKY AT NIGHT:ASTRONOMY OF THE INFRA-RED.... 10/04/75 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE OUTER PLANETS............. 30/04/75 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE MYSTERIOUS X-RAYS......... 30/05/75 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE HOT CLOUDS OF THE SUN..... 01/07/75 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE NEW MOON.................. 28/07/75 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE GALILEAN SATELLITES....... 28/08/75 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE.... 23/09/75 THE SKY AT NIGHT:NEW STAR IN CYGNUS............ 22/10/75 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE ROCKS ON VENUS............ 12/11/75 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE SEARCH FOR LIFE IN TH .... 10/12/75 THE SKY AT NIGHT:THE CHANGING FACE OF MARS..... 21/01/76 After this they all exist... (NB not all of the above are complete episodes, some of the earlier ones are film or VT inserts only) 11/5/60 is the earliest complete episode.
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Post by Rich Cornock on Nov 8, 2011 13:03:58 GMT
that's not a bad representation for the series compared to other shows like TOTP
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 8, 2011 15:55:33 GMT
On Sunday's broadcast (6/11/11) Sir Patrick Moore ended the programme by announced a special treat - an edition of the show from the early Sixties had been recovered, one that contained a studio interview with Arthur C Clarke on the subject of manned Moonbases! A brief clip was shown, which suggested the print was of very good condition. Hi all, This is in fact the discovery I was going to announce on December 3rd pre-empting a feature on the discovery which will be in the next edition of 'The Sky at Night' on December 4th. I've been rather caught out by the announcement by Sir P, but I can tell you he was very excited about it. The film was returned by a private collector. When I examined the film I noted a small cement splice within the first couple of minutes. Apart from that it's in generally good nick although does suffer from some scuffing and tramline scratching. When a decent Spirit transfer is eventually done, the visibility of the tramlines will be minimised. The programme is from September 10th 1963 and was broadcast live. I've no idea why it was recorded, and we only have one complete edition apart from this from 1963, a Special about an eclipse (I think!). This is the only surviving episode of the actual series of 1963 eps and it's fantastic to see Arthur Clarke on such good form. Regards, Paul PS - The 16mm print is now at the BBC Archive in Perivale.
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Post by richardfitzgerald on Nov 8, 2011 20:55:05 GMT
On Sunday's broadcast (6/11/11) Sir Patrick Moore ended the programme by announced a special treat - an edition of the show from the early Sixties had been recovered, one that contained a studio interview with Arthur C Clarke on the subject of manned Moonbases! A brief clip was shown, which suggested the print was of very good condition. Hi all, This is in fact the discovery I was going to announce on December 3rd pre-empting a feature on the discovery which will be in the next edition of 'The Sky at Night' on December 4th. I've been rather caught out by the announcement by Sir P, but I can tell you he was very excited about it. The film was returned by a private collector. When I examined the film I noted a small cement splice within the first couple of minutes. Apart from that it's in generally good nick although does suffer from some scuffing and tramline scratching. When a decent Spirit transfer is eventually done, the visibility of the tramlines will be minimised. The programme is from September 10th 1963 and was broadcast live. I've no idea why it was recorded, and we only have one complete edition apart from this from 1963, a Special about an eclipse (I think!). This is the only surviving episode of the actual series of 1963 eps and it's fantastic to see Arthur Clarke on such good form. Regards, Paul PS - The 16mm print is now at the BBC Archive in Perivale. Thanks for the background Paul - I suppose if anyone has the perogative to pre-empt your announcement it would be Sir Patrick! I guess there must have been an insert already existing from this edition as it is included in Andrew Martin's list above - but there's no doubting the significance of getting the full programme back given the guest and the subject matter (this would only have been a year or so before Arthur C Clarke began collaborating on 2001: A Space Odessey). I sometimes wonder if Stanley Kubrick got his inspiration for the use of classical music on the film from The Sky At Night title sequence, which he must surely have watched. By the way Paul, I don't suppose you can answer my separate query on the archive status of "the Long Struggle"?
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Post by Ewan Montague on Nov 9, 2011 17:47:58 GMT
when was the first colour ep and whats the earliest colour ep to survive in colour?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2011 17:51:46 GMT
I guess there must have been an insert already existing from this edition as it is included in Andrew Martin's list above No, I amended the list before I posted it, Richard! There was nothing existing from this edition before the recovery.
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Post by richardfitzgerald on Nov 10, 2011 9:29:07 GMT
I guess there must have been an insert already existing from this edition as it is included in Andrew Martin's list above No, I amended the list before I posted it, Richard! There was nothing existing from this edition before the recovery. Hi Laurence I think you must have posted the old version by mistake as this entry still appears above: which of course exactly matches Paul's description of the return. By the way just a reminder if you missed it that last Sunday's edition gets a repeat tonight on BBC Four - the recovery is announced by Sir Patrick at the end of the show with a short clip played of him introducing Arthur C Clarke as his studio guest.
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Post by Peter Stirling on Nov 10, 2011 9:43:08 GMT
A good survival rate for a programme that before BBC4 was probably only ever watched by two blokes and their dog? and of course the Moon and planets are always there so much of the material never changes. Incredible 50 year meal ticket for Sir Patrick.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2011 9:47:06 GMT
Hi Laurence I think you must have posted the old version by mistake as this entry still appears above: which of course exactly matches Paul's description of the return. . That is my amendment, Richard! I added that text to the listing as you quoted there.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 10, 2011 10:22:30 GMT
when was the first colour ep and whats the earliest colour ep to survive in colour? Hiya, I can find out which was the first colour episode, probably end of 1969. The programme 'Relativity' from 09/09/1969 survives on 625 black and white VT. It's a great recording as various takes of the programme survive on the tape. The first colour programme could have been 'Moon Rock' from 12/01/1970. Some programmes exist in a mixture of black and white and colour, such as 'Infrared Astronomy' from 18/11/1970 which features a two camera VT interview with Neil Armstrong at the Royal Society. Because of the short notice, the only vehicle available was a black and white OB truck used for live news injects, so the Armstrong interview is black and white, but the rest of the programme is in colour. The rushes VT for the Armstrong interview also survives. Regards, Paul
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Post by Brian Denton on Nov 10, 2011 15:13:59 GMT
A good survival rate for a programme that before BBC4 was probably only ever watched by two blokes and their dog? and of course the Moon and planets are always there so much of the material never changes. Incredible 50 year meal ticket for Sir Patrick. A very ungracious observation - in the Seventies my mum and I used to watch it avidly (as did our dog) despite the fact that it often used to have its broadcast timings messed about. As for it being a fifty year meal ticket; well, yes, but compared to what happens now in the British Nepotism Corporation it's pretty small beer. I am thinking of compiling a list of BBC correspondents/presenters who have relatives 'in the business', and I find new examples every day. 'Historian' Dan Snow for example - not a historian in the sense of having his work peer-reviewed etc, merely a bloke with a history degree and good connections !
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Post by richardfitzgerald on Nov 10, 2011 23:18:09 GMT
I guess there must have been an insert already existing from this edition as it is included in Andrew Martin's list above No, I amended the list before I posted it, Richard! There was nothing existing from this edition before the recovery. Doh! Sorry for the misunderstanding (slaps forehead)
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Post by LanceM on Nov 11, 2011 3:25:06 GMT
Words do not begin to explain my enthusiasm here. Fantastic work to all involved here in this fascinating discovery. A Truely historic and amazing discovery!!
Minus the tram-line scratching and that one mentioned join, sounding to be in good shape as well. Wishing we could see that brief clip featured, hoping this can be seen by us all here at some point in the near future.
Very interested to hear as well that this was broadcast LIVE. Makes you now wonder as to why this was recorded initially?
My best guess here: That Mr. Clarke at the time had requested a copy, or his management possibly? This seems to make the most sense here??
Amazing that material for 'Moon Rock' from 12/01/1970 exists. Fascinating in-depth info there Paul!
He did let the cat out of the bag, I hear you there!
Cheers, Lance.
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