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Post by Ross Mann on Sept 9, 2011 9:13:31 GMT
Hi all, just wondering dose the original UK broadcast version of Episode 5 of Frontier in Space actually exist? I only ask as I have the VHS and the version (of Ep 5) has a different theme (Delaware??) and seems to lack incidental music, whereas on DVD it has the traditional theme etc. Was this somewhat reconstructed for DVD or are there two different copies in the Archive? I missed out on Carnival of Monsters on VHS back in the day and Ive read that something similar occurred with this one too. I do have Revisitations 2 so I have both versions anyhow (of COM Ep 2 if I remember correctly)
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Post by Richard Bignell on Sept 9, 2011 9:45:23 GMT
No, there are two copies - the transmission version and the 71 edit, used on the VHS for variation.
Wasn't this mentioned on the story notes on the reverse of the cover for the VHS or did you not get those included on the Australian versions?
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Post by Ross Mann on Sept 9, 2011 10:56:49 GMT
Thanks Richard, and no my copy doesn't
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Post by davidstead on Sept 9, 2011 14:51:43 GMT
for a long while, the extra tapes of Green Death 5 & Frontier 5, weren't known to be different. In the late 80's I identified the Green Death extra ep5 as being pre-special sound fx version and subsequently had the computer entry for it amended and made sure it was archived. The Frontier ep5 was identified as different in the early 90's I believe.
The episode 5 of Frontier that came back from Australia when they returned (out of the blue) all 6 in 1983 in 625 (causing the confusion around that time about what they actually did still have in 625), was wiped in the late 90's as it was just an extra copy of the original version which still survived .
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Post by Ross Mann on Sept 9, 2011 16:38:40 GMT
Awesome David, is the scene in question on the DVD release anywhere ? I've never noticed, might have to have a closer look but Ive never been too good finding the Easter Eggs lol. How many alternate versions are there in the archives? I do have some on various DVD's etc. I'm sure there's probably a list out there somewhere, I seem to recall an article spread over 2 or 3 issues of DWM years ago that covered that.
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Post by davidstead on Sept 11, 2011 12:15:50 GMT
Not sure what scene you are referring to Ross?. The Green death episode 5 is the same as the transmission one, minus special music/sound fx (which does make it quite amusing to watch - especially if you imagine Jon Pertwee's record of Who is the doctor being played on the headphones of the chappie who commits suicide shortly after...lol!).
The Frontier part 5 is the one with the Delaware theme and I believe is a few seconds different in length (hence known as the '71 edit).
As far as I recall differing versions for Pertwee are:Season 1:Inferno 5/Season Two:Claws Studio Rec(Vampire from Space title)/Season 3:none/Season 4:3 Drs 1981 Edit - Carnival Extended long Edit of Part Two with Delaware theme (returned from Australia of all places!), plus the aforementioned Frontier and Green death parts 5/Season 5:There is a shorter edit of part 4 or five of Dinosaurs Invasion & then just the edited short repeat version of Planet of the Spiders (from the 1974 rpt).
I haven't included the Dinosaurs part one f/r as that isn't really a different version.
Hope that helps
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Post by Ross Mann on Sept 12, 2011 3:13:58 GMT
Ta mate, I wasn't sure if you meant there were extended/deleted scenes from The Green Death.
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Post by Ross Mann on Sept 12, 2011 3:20:06 GMT
Oh in A Celebration by Peter Haining the Archive Section in the Back lists Frontier In Space as incomplete in colour, I think Eps 4 and 5 (from memory) are the only ones listed. This was printed originally in 83, I have the reprinted paperback edition from the 90's. Interesting to compare the list of available episodes from back then to now if anything.
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Post by davidstead on Sept 12, 2011 8:38:32 GMT
I think the Peter Haining Book would have been printed etc, before release in 1983 and therefore missed probably by a matter of months the recovery of Frontier 1-6 in colour from ABC in Australia. It was a complete surprise to most people, as they hadn't been showing it at that time as a repeat and a number of the other Pertwee's repeated around that time were 525 conversions from CBC in Canada. Hence why the assumption was made that ABC held a lot more in 625 original form (which they didn't, apart from Death to the Daleks:1 in edited form), aside from the usual repeats of existing 625 episodes.
I still have the vhs of Frontier that i was given in early 1983 and that has 1,2,3 & 6 in b/w f/r form, so I think it must have been around mid '83 that the 625 tapes came back from Australia.
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Post by Ross Mann on Sept 22, 2011 11:10:57 GMT
That is interesting, I've asked this question before but I've read that the ABC (Australia) was offered an up to date run of Pertwees in colour in 1972! Were any ever sent? I only ask as Australia only started colour transmissions in 1975. I know Frontier was from the 72/73 season (Ten) but it could explain how it existed down here. Big question, what happened to seasons 7-9 ??
It could have been sent in 74 as the ABC were recording in colour then in preparation for the colour launch. (I'm not sure but I think colour made its debut on a comedy show called "Aunty Jack") but why would they send that one but no others? So my question still stands.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 22, 2011 20:43:11 GMT
That is interesting, I've asked this question before but I've read that the ABC (Australia) was offered an up to date run of Pertwees in colour in 1972! Were any ever sent? I only ask as Australia only started colour transmissions in 1975. I know Frontier was from the 72/73 season (Ten) but it could explain how it existed down here. Big question, what happened to seasons 7-9 ?? It could have been sent in 74 as the ABC were recording in colour then in preparation for the colour launch. (I'm not sure but I think colour made its debut on a comedy show called "Aunty Jack") but why would they send that one but no others? So my question still stands. The ABC was sent colour tapes of all of season 10 in 1973 (bar Planet of the Daleks), as they had bought two screening rights. The first to be in 1973, in b/w, the second to be two years later, in 1975 after colour had been introduced. However the schedulers brought the repeats forward, and so the eps were screened again in b/w in 1974. The colour tapes were put into storage (such as Frontier, the extended Carnival of Monster 2 and Green Death) and copies were sent elsewhere - eg NZ and Brunei. When the BBC started sending Season 11 to the ABC, they sent b/w films. The ABC returned the b/w films, as by then they only wanted colour. The BBC supplied them with colour tapes, with the exception of part one of Invasion of the Dinosaurs, which had already been wiped. As for seasons 7-9, the bulk of original PAL tapes had already been wiped by 1974, long before the ABC had even considered the idea of getting colour copies for later repeats. |
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