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Post by Pete Seaton on Aug 18, 2011 10:01:23 GMT
sorry if this may have been picked up on before but...
i've just discovered that all the tracks from the Eurovision semi's are cut and pasted into the FINAL, so the one on the saturday isn't really live........
just compare each performance from the semi's (Tues/Thurs) with the final on the Saturday, there the same
so in fact what are they doing on Saturday at 8pm to 11pm ?
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Post by Gordon Roxburgh on Aug 18, 2011 19:21:48 GMT
I can assure you from first hand experience that all the performances in the Final are live. Having attended the contest for many years, and also from working on the official Eurovision website, every performance you see in both the semis and final is 100% vocally live. All acts nowadays work to a pre-recorded music track. Hope that helps?
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Post by Pete Seaton on Aug 18, 2011 20:26:25 GMT
in 2011 tuesday and thursday might have been live but saturdays final this year was not.... it was the same performances exactly, if you watch them side by side on you tube you will see what i mean... the clue is in the running order numbers ie Ireland/sweden/Denmark was the same performance as seen in the week and saturday's final was basically VT (or whatever its now) .. below is the same song on thursday and the final, and if you watch both at the same time and allign the vocals you will then see its the exact same thing soing the exact same thing, background, everything and that the final could not possibly be LIVE, its a repeat .. Eurovision SF Thursday www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXouSYabDigEurovision Final Saturday www.youtube.com/watch?v=2huxEkE1GD4I only noticed this when i bought the official DVD
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Post by Gordon Roxburgh on Aug 18, 2011 21:08:54 GMT
I hate to be so dismissive...but they are different performances. Have a look at the audience at start and elsewhere, different flags waving in different places etc. There are also small differences in the exact movements, expressions etc of artists. Of course the backgrounds are the same with the LED screens for both performances of every semi finalist who made the final...makes perfect sense!! The camera shots will also be near identical, as these have been rehearsed over a two week period, and as the music is on backing tapes, that too will be identical. But trust me, I was there along with 30,000+ other people, and witnessed it for myself. All the shows and performances are LIVE.
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Aug 19, 2011 1:26:24 GMT
I had a play around in iMovie and superimposed the two Jedward recordings over each other. As Gordon says, they're definitely two different performances: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oWb0cTudEkYou nearly had me fooled for a minute, though...
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Post by Pete Seaton on Aug 19, 2011 11:18:05 GMT
now you see what i mean. (only if you cue in the audio properly, its exactly the same, though one is recorded in widescreen, so naturally it wont look the same but it is)
there were tickets for two semi finals and a saturday jury vote (which only allows you in at 10pm UK Time only when the votes begin) so the two can be pasted together to make you think its all live.
ffs scrap the semi final and go back to one show
now do the same with the other acts (except UK, Germany, France, Spain and Italy) as you only get one, and a reprise at the end, obv recorded when the jury slot was recorded
hiding the join is constant phone vote reminders
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Post by Gordon Roxburgh on Aug 19, 2011 12:29:45 GMT
For your information Pete, the Juries vote at the rehearsal that take place on the Friday night, ie 24 hours before the final. Tickets were sold to the public for this show, along with tickets to the live semi finals and the live final. Having experienced all shows, I can tell you that each one is slightly different, notably in atmosphere with the audience, the presenters dialogue, and also in the performances; some are better and some are worse through nerves. The final was attended by an audience of over 30,000 people, and I can assure you that they all watched the show live, along with a worldwide television audience of over a 100 million people. Yet you appear to be the only person I've come across who believes it was prerecorded in some way? Just accept on this issue that you have got it wrong. If it had been faked in any way then the internet would have been rife with fans and public complaining...until now you are the only person I have heard make that allegation.
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Post by Pete Seaton on Aug 19, 2011 14:04:13 GMT
they are the same, no matter now its padded out with waffles, you only have to play both versions side by side to even see this. the biggest clue is on one its track 19, its track 6 on the other and the same performance repeated, watch the DVD again.
you cant tell me that you saw Jedward live on stage on the saturday, its impossible, because thats a recording from Thursdays semi, i know because I have the official DVD and have played them BOTH at the same time, same audience, same act, same flags in the audience etc
watch the official dvd like i have and you tell me
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Aug 19, 2011 14:16:32 GMT
Perhaps they used some of the semi-final footage when they were mastering the DVD?
The actual performances that were shown on TV are definitely different. The two performances I overlayed were both widescreen and the file iMovie created was widescreen anamorphic, but YouTube left it squished up when I uploaded it.
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Post by Pete Seaton on Aug 19, 2011 14:36:32 GMT
i'm now watching both version as shown on the BBC1 version, same as the DVD too. same flashes at the start, same two flags, same two jedwards one on the floor one standing doing the same thing etc etc. this is repeated with the swedish entry and the others
They arent different, the are the same as broadcast before (start and end crowd edits and screen stretching aside)
even the lady doing the sand patterns was the same !!!
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Post by davidstead on Aug 19, 2011 15:31:52 GMT
Hi Guys, I don't know if this helps, or muddy's the water somewhat, but back in 1998 when the UK last hosted the show, there was a complete rehearsal of the show done and recorded (just not with the voting), as I have most of the rehearsal as well as the main show. They certainly at that time, recorded a full dress rehearsal as it were, just in case of Bomb threats, so that if the actual live show had to be stopped for any reason, a full show could still be transmitted to the viewing millions. Maybe this sort of thing is what is causing confusion these days?
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Aug 19, 2011 16:19:10 GMT
As you suggested, Pete, I took another performance from the semi-final and compared it side-by-side with the performance shown in the final. Once again, there were loads of little differences between the two! The camera pans are almost identical so presumably are all programmed beforehand, although they have changed a few of the shots. The choreography is almost spot on both times although you'll notice a few hand gestures that are out of sync: www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRr59XCa7J8How many differences can you spot this time?
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Post by markjhaley on Aug 19, 2011 18:46:06 GMT
I've found this thread rather interesting. The youtube clip Simon has linked to above seems conclusive to me. Definitely different performances. Gordon is adamant that all the final performances were broadcast live which leaves one final possibilty... Possibly some of the semi final footage might have been used for the DVD. Either way, Jedward garnered more points than Blue which must have been hard to swallow
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Aug 19, 2011 21:21:32 GMT
I'm guessing Pete has the official 3 DVD set that's being sold on Amazon: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004M2WM4YIt contains Semi-Final 1, Semi-Final 2 and the Final. I suppose it's possible that one of two of the semi-final or final performances were accidentally mastered incorrectly and ended up being used twice but I can't believe it happened for every performance! As I don't have the DVD I can't check definitively. I just compared the clips that were available on YouTube which, as we know, are very similar but are also distinctly different...
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