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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Aug 10, 2011 12:49:06 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6CIWUTVF_ILook, I know naff all about Dr Who, and many of you will be aware of this US-compiled montage, but....nonetheless maybe one or two of you haven't, and....it is enjoyable. I doubt there's any missing footage on it, though, but....worth a watch.
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Post by davechasteen on Aug 10, 2011 13:02:09 GMT
This short montage was referred to as "The Regeneration Cycle" and used to promote Doctor Who on PBS stations in the States during the 1980's. As you say, there is no missing footage involved.
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Post by andrewb on Aug 10, 2011 13:03:39 GMT
it looks to me like it was a documentary shown prior to Doctor Who being broadcast on a new TV channel or new region, as if it's bringing anyone new to the show up to date. Also reminds me, for some reason, of something I'd be shown at school..I think it's the narration.
I don't know if anyone could correct me but I don't think I've seen that on any DVD...would make a nice extra or easter egg in my opinion.
Very interesting, nice find and a good watch...thank you !
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Post by davidstead on Aug 11, 2011 17:24:16 GMT
Hi Guys,
It is actually a promo made by BBC Ents around 1985 for promoting the show in the USA, it starts with the words 'what is time....'.
You may well have seen it on PBS during the Davison showings as you'll notice it only features Colin Baker's material from The Twin Dilemma.
I always thought it was strange that the Dalek footage from Genesis was used with the audio from Dalek Invasion - which if you listen, sounds like a nasally Dalek saying 'we are the Bastards on Earth!' lol.
A big promotional drive was made during the mid 80's to market Who in the states, with of course the 'touring' Who Bus in 1986 - News footage from the time feature Michael Grade outside of the bus, saying to crowds, that Dr Who was one of the most successful shows on british TV, having run for 23 years and he didn't see why it shouldn't run for another 23 years! - This of course was the same year he cancelled the bloody thing! Hypocritical...surely not!
Anyway, hope that helps.
Not sure of the Archival status of the promo as ents weren't brilliant at keeping stuff even in the 80's and it was only a promo to them.
Davidx
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Post by andrewb on Aug 11, 2011 17:34:42 GMT
Hi Guys, It is actually a promo made by BBC Ents around 1985 for promoting the show in the USA, it starts with the words 'what is time....'. You may well have seen it on PBS during the Davison showings as you'll notice it only features Colin Baker's material from The Twin Dilemma. I always thought it was strange that the Dalek footage from Genesis was used with the audio from Dalek Invasion - which if you listen, sounds like a nasally Dalek saying 'we are the Bastards on Earth!' lol. A big promotional drive was made during the mid 80's to market Who in the states, with of course the 'touring' Who Bus in 1986 - News footage from the time feature Michael Grade outside of the bus, saying to crowds, that Dr Who was one of the most successful shows on british TV, having run for 23 years and he didn't see why it shouldn't run for another 23 years! - This of course was the same year he cancelled the bloody thing! Hypocritical...surely not! Anyway, hope that helps. Not sure of the Archival status of the promo as ents weren't brilliant at keeping stuff even in the 80's and it was only a promo to them. Davidx Out of curiousity...do you know if DW in the mid 80's was successful in the states? I wonder, if it wasn't successful of course, would the series have ended like it did here in the UK if it had a stong US fan base? |
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Post by davidstead on Aug 11, 2011 18:01:33 GMT
Hi Andrew,
I believe it was very successfull, in terms of revenue for the BBC. It must have cost quite a considerable sub to have a touring bus visit various individual states, with many sets and costumes, plus the occasional appearances of Davison and Co.
After all although it is mega these days, it was always one of the BBC's best seller's around the World, in terms of revenue back into their coffers.
It's difficult to say whether the fan base in the USA would have had any influence on new shows being made. It was after all a lot cheaper for shows to be shown outside the UK than for them to get repeated here, hence it's popularity. I think the Paul McGann venture into the Tardis, shows what might have happened. After all the problem with that one-off, was the Americans felt it wasn't British enough and we thought it was too American!
These days Foreign participation and settings aren't a problem (The Impossible Astronaut/Torchwod:Miracle Day), but the 'Classic' version was liked because of it was British made.
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Post by andrewb on Aug 11, 2011 18:44:26 GMT
Thanks David
It does strike me as perculiar that all that money would be pumped in to promotion of the series as one could only imagine that Grade had plans for hiatus/cancellation in mind around 1986.
My theory was if it wasn't that successful it could've pushed him "over the edge" so to speak especially if a lot of revenue was put in place for a US run and nothing came of it.
The fact that it enjoyed success and was well liked makes it all the more odd to me why it was cancelled. Obviously Michael Grade had some kind of vendetta it would seem!
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Post by jerrygrefenstette on Aug 11, 2011 22:11:13 GMT
There are actually two versions of this promo clip. It was updated ever-so-slightly during the McCoy years, as I recall, including the mention of years being changed from 21 to 25. Have both versions on VHS somewhere...
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Post by JeffL on Aug 13, 2011 0:57:35 GMT
There were a few US PBS Stations that did their own documentaries but I don't think those involved a lot of missing footage. One of the better PBS documentaries was a behind the scenes of "Silver Nemesis," which I was disappointed was left off the DVD. It included interviews with the cast and some raw footage of the scenes.
But I actually have it on VHS, recorded from my local PBS station.
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Post by andrewb on Aug 16, 2011 4:07:53 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLcXvmOdwpE&NR=1nice little interview wiht Patrick Troughton from the 80's by the look of the hair on the presenter. an introduction of a Colin Baker episode (don't think it says which one) and a promo for an appearance by Troughton at a convention
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Aug 16, 2011 15:28:54 GMT
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Post by dennywilson on Aug 30, 2011 8:51:05 GMT
Hi Guys, It is actually a promo made by BBC Ents around 1985 for promoting the show in the USA, it starts with the words 'what is time....'. You may well have seen it on PBS during the Davison showings as you'll notice it only features Colin Baker's material from The Twin Dilemma. I always thought it was strange that the Dalek footage from Genesis was used with the audio from Dalek Invasion - which if you listen, sounds like a nasally Dalek saying 'we are the Bastards on Earth!' lol. A big promotional drive was made during the mid 80's to market Who in the states, with of course the 'touring' Who Bus in 1986 - News footage from the time feature Michael Grade outside of the bus, saying to crowds, that Dr Who was one of the most successful shows on british TV, having run for 23 years and he didn't see why it shouldn't run for another 23 years! - This of course was the same year he cancelled the bloody thing! Hypocritical...surely not! Anyway, hope that helps. Not sure of the Archival status of the promo as ents weren't brilliant at keeping stuff even in the 80's and it was only a promo to them. Davidx I've seen TWO versions of this - one that goes up to Colin and then the alternate one that had added footage of Sylvester McCoy! |
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Post by dennywilson on Aug 30, 2011 8:51:37 GMT
Hi Guys, It is actually a promo made by BBC Ents around 1985 for promoting the show in the USA, it starts with the words 'what is time....'. You may well have seen it on PBS during the Davison showings as you'll notice it only features Colin Baker's material from The Twin Dilemma. I always thought it was strange that the Dalek footage from Genesis was used with the audio from Dalek Invasion - which if you listen, sounds like a nasally Dalek saying 'we are the Bastards on Earth!' lol. A big promotional drive was made during the mid 80's to market Who in the states, with of course the 'touring' Who Bus in 1986 - News footage from the time feature Michael Grade outside of the bus, saying to crowds, that Dr Who was one of the most successful shows on british TV, having run for 23 years and he didn't see why it shouldn't run for another 23 years! - This of course was the same year he cancelled the bloody thing! Hypocritical...surely not! Anyway, hope that helps. Not sure of the Archival status of the promo as ents weren't brilliant at keeping stuff even in the 80's and it was only a promo to them. Davidx I've seen TWO versions of this - one that goes up to Colin and then the alternate one that had added footage of Sylvester McCoy! |
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Post by Ross Mann on Sept 5, 2011 17:54:26 GMT
Thanks David It does strike me as perculiar that all that money would be pumped in to promotion of the series as one could only imagine that Grade had plans for hiatus/cancellation in mind around 1986. My theory was if it wasn't that successful it could've pushed him "over the edge" so to speak especially if a lot of revenue was put in place for a US run and nothing came of it. The fact that it enjoyed success and was well liked makes it all the more odd to me why it was cancelled. Obviously Michael Grade had some kind of vendetta it would seem! I'm sure I've seen an interview with Grade, included as an extra on one of the Trial of a Time Lord DVD's saying that he personally hated the series !! |
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