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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 26, 2011 23:11:46 GMT
Due to being on a borrowed PC I can't cut and paste, but 13.06.93's Apel and Company, featuring Rod Stewart, Robbie Coltrane and Bob Hoskins is - according to lostshows.com missing. Well, I've found the Rod segment on youtube - comes from a video tape - and I'm baffled a show from the 90's would be missing. I will put up the link tomorrow, but it is easy to find. Baffling! Any thoughts?  |
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Post by LanceM on Jul 26, 2011 23:41:35 GMT
This would be a nice niche gap to fill.As is the only missing edition of the series! Also is entitled "Aspel & Company",made a very noticeable difference while trying to find details on lostshows.com I hope am not stepping on your toes here Ray.As seeing are on a borrowed PC,and was able to find the mentioned clip on YouTube.Hope you do not mind here. "Missing or incomplete episodes for program ASPEL & COMPANY. Series 10 13.06.93 with Bob Hoskins, Rod Stewart, Robbie Coltrane (missing) Out of an original total of 117 episodes, one episode is missing." www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4aIZrINZmEIs a chance the listing may be in error on lostshows,has happened previously in the past.However cannot really state with any certainty here.For the time being,it sure looks that way! A job well done here again Ray!!Sterling Work As Always!! Cheers,Lance! |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 27, 2011 0:55:53 GMT
Thank you Lance! Have more info on the Saturday Night at the Mill clip. Will post in a bit.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 27, 2011 8:41:21 GMT
ITN Source say that they have it:-
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ASPEL & CO (SHOW 11)
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Production ID: 9L/92619
Programme ID: L0074
Gm library type: LWT Production
Programme title: ASPEL & CO
Production title: SHOW 11
Synopsis: Guests include ROD STEWART and RONNIE WOOD who together perform "Have I Told You Lately" and "Hot Legs", ROBBIE COLTRANE and BOB HOSKINS.
Series title: ASPEL & CO (SERIES 10)
Series ID: B006
Credits text: Host - MICHAEL ASPEL
Director - ALASDAIR MACMILLIAN
Guests - ROBBIE COLTRANE
BOB HOSKINS
ROD STEWART
RONNIE WOOD
Musicians - MIKE MORAN
TREVOR BARRY
PAUL DUNNE
BRETT MORGAN
MIKE MULLINS
PETE HOWETH
Paris company: LONDON WEEKEND TELEVISION
Genre: ENT
ITC class ID:
Running time - minutes: 37
Running time - seconds: 15
First TX date: 1993-06-13
Production area: ENTERTAINMENT
Production type: PROGRAMME
Version type: UK VERSION
Local series ID:
Local episode ID:
Picture style: Colour
Sound style: Stereo
Slot time: 45
Commissioner: ITV NETWORK LIMITED
Exploit Issues:
Production companies: LONDON WEEKEND TELEVISION""
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Post by LanceM on Jul 27, 2011 16:23:35 GMT
Must be a typo then on lostshows.com?
Again,has been known to have happened in the past (with respect of course).
Well done again here Ray! Thanks for providing this updated archival information.This would seem to make the most sense.However,when items as recent as Rentaghost can be missing at one point,or another.Who can really state there with any certainty?Understand the state of affairs there.However,this does assist to prove the point that some recent items can be-and are-missing to this very day.You never know...
Cheers,Lance.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 27, 2011 16:37:38 GMT
Anyone at all - Lance you can start this if you have the time - who can think of shows for me to look for - let me know. Except TOTP, I do that at least twice a week! And Dr Who. others do it better.
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Post by RWels on Jul 27, 2011 17:41:28 GMT
Lostshows is certainly not always accurate. And also slow with processing corrections sometimes. Anyone at all - Lance you can start this if you have the time - who can think of shows for me to look for - let me know. Except TOTP, I do that at least twice a week! And Dr Who. others do it better. You are out of shows to look for? Have no fear... * Do not adjust your set * At last the 1948 show * Complete and utter history of Brittain * Pride and prejudice 1952 & 1957 * The adventures of Floris |
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Post by Phil Ellis on Jul 28, 2011 14:00:51 GMT
Orson Welles is often hailed as the greatest director of all times, although his films are discussed more he did a fair bit of tv mainly in Britain. After turning up the Third Man in Vienna maybe you could try his other missing items , details are very sketchy . British writer and sometime actor Peter Noble wrote one of the biographies of O.W. , he mentions a documentary film he made for BBC called "The Actor's Studio" circa 1958. One of the films he made for Around The World was about one of his passions bullfighting , according to Jonathan Rosenbaum in Peter Bogdanovich/Orson Welles's "This Is Orson Welles" he returned to this subject for Rediffusion circa 1963 in a film called "The Art Of Bullfighting" he made this Kenneth Tynan who also appeared in the earlier film. There is a story i think on Wellesnet that he sent Rediffusion a film about Moby Dick and they refuses to pay the customs. It is surmised that it was then destroyed. Speculation is that it is the legendary "Moby Dick Rehearsed" with Patrick Mcgoohan and Kenneth Williams , it is more likely to be a film he made in Dublin in two parts 1961 i think, one part survives in the Munich Archive but the other is thought lost.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 28, 2011 14:22:00 GMT
I'm not running out - I just welcome suggestions!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 14:36:28 GMT
The Informer
The Rat Catchers
Crane
Armchair Theatre
Colour Me Pop
Public Eye
The Wednesday Play
Half Hour Story
Blackmail
Callan
Ready Steady Go
Sexton Blake
Freewheelers
Ace Of Wands
Out Of The Unknown
So It Goes
Jazz Scene
On The Margin
A Man Of Our Times
Five O Clock Club
Out Of This World
Intrigue
Disco 2
Where Was Spring?
Play Of The Week
Do Not Adjust Your Set
Marty
Lift Off / Lift Off With Ayshea
Mystery And Imagination
A few to be going on with..!
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 28, 2011 15:07:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 16:02:57 GMT
Well, that's VERY interesting, Ray! The Miles colour clip is probably from the one existing show (tx: 26/12/69) and is about the right length. But as I haven't seen it myself, can't identify it for certain. Can anyone? The other possibility (less likely) is that it's more of the Davies session that was used in subsequent editions (and therefore missing).
The b/w material is definitely Jazz Scene - but from off-air videos! It's introduced as show 1. The final segment has the BBC end titles too. This looks like it's a find! I wonder if there's more out there, taped by a jazz buff?
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Post by lfbarfe on Jul 28, 2011 16:24:48 GMT
Yes, the Miles comes from the surviving Jazz Scene series 1 compilation, as screened at the last Kaleidoscope event. There's a series 2 compilation in existence too, one complete show in the archives - Cleo Laine and John Dankworth - and, according to the Kal music and variety guide, a further series 1 show, which was on 1" at the time it was compiled.
The Tubby Hayes clips are from the 30/9/69 edition of Jazz Scene, which was series 1 show 1. Unless it's the aforementioned series 1 show on 1", it is officially 'missing'. However, I've had a fairly ropey VHS dub of it for a decade or so, and I think those YouTube clips come from the encode of my tape that I torrented a while back. My copy came from an Irish jazz musician of my acquaintance, who's also a close friend of Louis Stewart, who played guitar on that show. Louis also had a dub of some lost Tubby Hayes 'Jazz Club' radio sessions, which I helped him return to the BBC archives. I've tried to trace the lineage of my tape back to the original source, but got nowhere. It is, however, in circulation among jazz musicians.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 28, 2011 16:24:57 GMT
Done some research. The Miles and Buddy exist (Kal OR Beeb). Tubby does not. It exists on the collectors market, but it is not at the Beeb by all accounts. The youtube copy is somewhere between 4th and 6th gen of an off-air.
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Post by lfbarfe on Jul 28, 2011 17:30:12 GMT
By "done some research", do you mean you asked me, Ray?  The compilation show, from which the Buddy Rich and Miles Davis clips come, is in the BBC archive. Kal just showed it. The Music and Variety Guide (without which no home should be) says it's on D3. Same with the Laine/Dankworth show, which was on the same disc, and of which we saw the opening minute or so. It's not a given that the Tubbs tape is an off-air. It could be from a U-Matic or similar dub of the quad master, made while that still existed. |
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