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Post by LanceM on Mar 16, 2011 5:54:40 GMT
There is always the very very very slim chance it may have been recorded on a open reel domestic format upon broadcast?Now,This is a very long shot,and sadly doubt this was ever the case,but does make you think.As there was that elderly chap who had recorded Episode 2 of The Space Pirates back in 1969!As far as I know,this was the only known instance of finding a domestic open reel Doctor Who recording.Was rather surprised really was not included on the Lost In Time set as would of thought would of made an interesting extra?Hoping a wealthy family may of recorded a few episodes of their children's favorite show to play when went out?I know,clutching at straws.But when they are all that is left over,is rather hard not to clutch at straws.Francis Watson had been asked to clear out a room full of junk,and kept two reels of film destined for the bin.The other episode was The Expedition from The Daleks,which of course safely exists,But as he found out Day of Armageddon was a genuine missing episode.Immigration is another possibility which I have been thinking about.As many BBC employees could of immigrated with a few of their "old work things"?Again,another very long shot,something to think about.Now,what are the chances that someone may of filmed a complete episode on 8mm?I would say remote sadly there,as the film was expensive,not to mention processing there.Also,of the chance that some colour Pertwee material may still be about in the US,as the recovered Betamax recordings serve to assist there?Foreign archives,or possibly early open reel video recordings made in other nations where missing Who had been broadcast?
Now,Time to start following the bread crumbs.........
Cheers,Lance.
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Post by Rob Moss on Mar 16, 2011 12:37:51 GMT
As there was that elderly chap who had recorded Episode 2 of The Space Pirates back in 1969!As far as I know,this was the only known instance of finding a domestic open reel Doctor Who recording.Was rather surprised really was not included on the Lost In Time set as would of thought would of made an interesting extra? Paul V will be able to supply more information, but I believe that no picture could be recovered from that tape.
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Post by Ash Stewart on Mar 16, 2011 12:50:39 GMT
As there was that elderly chap who had recorded Episode 2 of The Space Pirates back in 1969!As far as I know,this was the only known instance of finding a domestic open reel Doctor Who recording.Was rather surprised really was not included on the Lost In Time set as would of thought would of made an interesting extra? Paul V will be able to supply more information, but I believe that no picture could be recovered from that tape. Details: www.btinternet.com/~m.brown1/boffin.htm
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Post by LanceM on Mar 17, 2011 4:53:49 GMT
Indeed,That is the EXACT article I was referring to in my previous posting.
Agreed,no fun there,however as the article states.It does go to show that there were people out there recording Doctor Who at home in the 60's."Just a matter of finding others", as the article states.In regards to the most excellent Sea Devils (Colour) 8mm film sequences which came to light,shot by Dave King who was on duty when the filming had occurred.A appeal had been sent out on local radio as the DVD commentary had stated.Then Mr.King came forward with the footage!Similar area appeals might have similar success if similarly researched,and followed through in the present!And through official channels.I still hold hope for domestic open reel video recordings!As they are out there as that instance proved the point.I remember now in that the tape was said to be in a poor state.Similar fate in regards to the discovered Moonlanding material there.Possibly an Audio Easter Egg Then!!
Saw the same photo myself previously.Now,where is that guy with the cine camera filming the Cybermen emerging from the sewers in The Invasion I wonder?As a similar photo exists for which it looks like someone was filming from the street side with a cine camera!
Cheers,Lance.
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Post by Ash Stewart on Mar 17, 2011 9:08:49 GMT
They gave it to him to junk, but he liked it so he kept it. The Feast of Steven may have been kept, but that is highly unlikely. In fact, most employees apparently "watched them burn." Or, at least, watched them thrown in to a skip... How many films would be in 20 skips? (2 a day, 5 days a week, for 2 weeks...) archive.whoniversity.co.uk/gateway/doctorwhoepisodehunter.html
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Post by Ash Stewart on Mar 17, 2011 9:11:32 GMT
The only other known home video recording of 60s Dr Who was The Ice Warriors; unfortunately, the tape was subsequently recorded over with something else...
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Post by Ash Stewart on Mar 17, 2011 9:12:50 GMT
The only other known home video recording of 60s Dr Who was The Ice Warriors; unfortunately, the tape was subsequently recorded over with something else...
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 17, 2011 9:31:59 GMT
In regards to the most excellent Sea Devils (Colour) 8mm film sequences which came to light,shot by Dave King who was on duty when the filming had occurred.A appeal had been sent out on local radio as the DVD commentary had stated. It was actually in the local newspaper rather than on radio, but it was very pleasing when I managed to find Dave King at long last! Lots of similar appeals have been made via the press and BBC radio. They've not resulted in any other returns. I can't say that I've spotted anyone else on the photos with a cine camera. What picture are you thinking of specifically?
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Post by LanceM on Mar 18, 2011 4:46:05 GMT
Ahh,thanks for clearing that up Richard.Why did they then state local radio I wonder in the commentary,odd.
The photo I saw was in Issue Two of "Nothing At The End Of The Lane".Page 55,Comment states:
"A set of 62 location photographs from the story (The Invasion) were taken by the production's sound recordist Bill Chesneau.Among Chesneau's collection are a number of photographs showing The Cybermen emerging from a manhole on Queen Victoria Street.The pictures show a number of bystanders watching the scene being played,one of whom is seen to be filming the scene with his cine camera".It is this photo and publication to which I was referring to.
Four Items below that is the refereed photo from which The Sea Devils/Dave King footage was sourced from as a result by the way!Am also interested in the mentioned Mr.Bowes (1971,Aldbourne resident) cine film he took at the time,which his ex-wife has presently.Interesting Indeed,Great Article and publication's by the way, excellent work all around!!
Cheers,Lance.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 18, 2011 12:18:55 GMT
Ahh,thanks for clearing that up Richard.Why did they then state local radio I wonder in the commentary,odd. That was just Michael making an assumption. Ah, right. I didn't realise that you were referring to what I written in the article. The way you worded it, it sounded like you had seen someone other than the highlighted cameraman in the photograph. How tantalising to think that that reel of footage is possibly still languishing in the back of someone's drawer somewhere. Unfortunately, both David Bowes and his ex-wife are now dead, so we may never know the answer to that one.
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Post by Neil Lambess on Apr 22, 2011 14:23:49 GMT
In Reply #8. Also, the Feast of Steven had no copies made, and the lone pressing was either burned or wiped. If it was wiped, then we won't get it back, that's that. If it was kept, an ex-BBC worker probably has it in his/her basement, and has long since forgotten about it, which is the extremely optimistic point of view. Most likely it was just burned. It is gone forever. Accept it. ....Untill it turns up, like the last recovered episode from the same story and also one of the least likley to have ever been recovered.....
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Post by Greg H on Apr 23, 2011 19:47:50 GMT
It is very true. We can talk about which story is statistically most likely due to overseas sales or this or that, but it really is crystal ball time; its as likely that the next recovery could be complete off air domestic recordings of fury from the deep as the most widely circulated 16mm print of 60s who. DMP2 was as I understand it a fairly unlikely episode to resurface but there it is Something should materialise again.
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Post by rtlhm on Apr 25, 2011 11:27:56 GMT
I think one of the most sought episode is episode 4 of 10th Planet. Love it to be found but very unlikely.
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Post by Ewan Montague on May 16, 2011 17:41:29 GMT
In my fantasies there are 5 millionairs who recorded all the episodes from 1965 onwards and because it is my fantasy they each had 2 recorders for safety copies and in my very very special dreams they did the odd episode of Dee Time Dusty and all the episodes of the Scott Walker series. But there you are, not true but a nice thought. I think if any episode has survived in this format (excluding the poor quality Space Pirates) it will probably be a Dalek one possibly from the Evil repeats
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Post by B Thomas on May 17, 2011 4:35:56 GMT
Then again it could just as easily be one from "The Enemy of the World" (and probably Episode 3) captured in error when someone thought they were taping the other side... Yes, I said it.
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