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Post by Shaun B on Nov 9, 2004 20:40:42 GMT
Anyone have an idea of the archive holdings for these two BBC vox pop shows?
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Post by lfbarfe on Nov 10, 2004 12:53:50 GMT
I've got one edition of PoV from June 1962, as repeated during the TV50 season during 1986.
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Post by andrew martin on Nov 10, 2004 13:31:28 GMT
From the 60s, there are very few complete "Points of View"s, compared to the number broadcast - 15, all from 1961 to 1963, including the first two editions. There's another one from 1971, then a reasonable sample from its return in 1979 to the present day. There are also a small number or fragments surviving on film recordings of adjoining live programmes, including some bits featuring Kenneth Robinson (not to be confused with Robert...).
"Talkback" is quite well represented, though its first edition is missing, there are 65 existing editions, comprising most of the run (I would have to check how many were made in total, but it's not badly off!). There are a few useful clips of otherwise non-existent programmes in them, including "Juke Box Jury" (the last series), "Z Cars", "Softly Softly", "The First Lady" and the "Wednesday Play" by Nigel Kneale, "Bang! Pow! Zap!" (in an edition discussing TV violence)
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 10, 2004 13:56:27 GMT
As you have some detailed info on Points of View / Talkback, Andrew, would you by any chance have any similar knowledge of archive holdings for Late Night Line-Up? I've always wanted to know about this. A number seem to still be around although I doubt that there's anything like the full run. Are any still in colour too? I know LNLU was in colour from the word go but i've only ever seen clips from b/w t/rs (even for those as late as 1972). Any info appreciated.
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Post by Shaun B on Nov 10, 2004 17:11:33 GMT
Andrew and Louis (who I've just heard talking about the history of 1/4 tape on an R4 documentary. Good stuff. Even if F.C. Judd wasn't mentioned!)-- ta for the info, just what I needed.
Shaun B.
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Post by lfbarfe on Nov 11, 2004 10:28:45 GMT
I know LNLU was in colour from the word go Late Night Line Up began in 1964, very close to the start of BBC2 if not actually at the start. BBC2 didn't go into colour until 1967, so the first 3 years of LNLU will have been monochrome only. Reading your post again, it's possible that you mean that LNLU was one of the first programmes to go out in colour when it was introduced, in which case, ignore me. |
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Post by andrew martin on Nov 11, 2004 10:37:30 GMT
Laurence - there were thousands of editions of LNLU and Line-up (which was the title of the original early evening show, also the title of the late programme from September 1969 to September 1970, as well as being the informal title generally), almost all live. Of those approximately 470 or so editions still exist in whole or part - many may well never have been recorded (it did go out every day pretty much from 1964 to the end of 1972), that total includes things that went out under the LNLU banner, like "Colour Me Pop", "Plunder", "Film Night" and "Up Sunday" (initially). There are a number of colour VT copies from the end of its run - most I think are inserts or complete films, but there are a very few PasBs, including the very last edition from 14/12/72.
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Post by Brian D not logged in on Nov 11, 2004 15:46:30 GMT
Andrew and Louis (who I've just heard talking about the history of 1/4 tape on an R4 documentary. Good stuff. Even if F.C. Judd wasn't mentioned!)-- ta for the info, just what I needed. Shaun B. When was this documentary broadcast? It may still be available on the Radio 4 Website and I'd like to listen to it if so! |
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Post by Shaun B on Nov 11, 2004 17:19:39 GMT
Not sure of the tx date for this one (definitely within the last 3 months), but if it's any help it's called "15 IPS." Cracking documentary, done with the usual R4 panache...highly reccomended.
Shaun B.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 11, 2004 22:04:59 GMT
[quote author=Guest-andrew martin
Of those approximately 470 or so editions still exist in whole or part - many may well never have been recorded . There are a number of colour VT copies from the end of its run - most I think are inserts or complete films, but there are a very few PasBs, including the very last edition from 14/12/72. [/quote]
Ah, thanks for the info, Andrew. Very interesting. A good survival rate really - better than i'd expected. Nice to know there are a few colour editions as well (never seen a clip).
By the way, yes, that's what I meant, LF - that LNLU was colour from the beginning of colour transmissions (not, obviously, from the beginning of BBC-2 itself).
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Post by LF Barfe on Nov 12, 2004 9:26:34 GMT
When was this documentary broadcast? It may still be available on the Radio 4 Website and I'd like to listen to it if so! If you can't find it, Brian, let me know. |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 12, 2004 10:16:48 GMT
[quote author=Guest-andrew martin
there are a very few PasBs, including the very last edition from 14/12/72. [/quote]
Just a couple of other associated points, Andrew. Do you know which dates these few surviving colour editions are from and roughly what the contents consist of, by any chance? Just interested to know as i've never seen a clip from one.
When I referred to LNLU, I was really referring to the studio magazine programme rather than including film specials and off-shoots such as Colour Me Pop, Film Night etc. I was really asking how many of the "regular" show survived.
The other thing is, are the surviving recordings (not sure how many there are if you just count the regular editions) all that was ever recorded or were there any additional ones that were subsequently junked? Thanks for the help.
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Post by Brian D not logged in on Nov 13, 2004 19:57:02 GMT
If you can't find it, Brian, let me know. Louis No, I can't find it - though looking on Google, I now know that IPS also stands for Iranian Press Service! I would like to hear the programme. I'm surprised that one of the good contributors didn't mention it either just before or just after it was on. It's worth remembering that a lot of BBC radio programmes are available online for a week after broadcast. I use the service to listen to Melvyn Bragg's morning radio programme In Our Time, which is usually quite interesting and has another half hour to run by the time I've got to leave the car and trudge into work... |
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Post by andrew martin on Nov 14, 2004 13:06:07 GMT
Laurence, re LNLU:
There are about 38 "Film Night"s which I counted as part of LNLU/LU, there are 7 complete or partial editions of "Colour Me Pop", including the untx'd Chambers Brothers edition, and 7 "Up Sunday"s. There are also 14 editions of "One Man' Week" and 3 "One Woman's Week" under the LNLU/LU banner - so subtract all those and you get some idea of the number of ordinary "Line-up"s. ("Up Sunday", "Film Night" and "One Man's Week" all continued as stand-alone series as well). A fair few LNLU editions, especially later ones, seem to have inserts only surviving - these being pre-recorded, whereas the live shows weren't recorded at all probably. There are five surviving editions of "Line-Up Interview" from 1970 (Michael Ayrton, Jessica Mitford, Andreas Papandreou, Jonathan Miller, Joan Plowright - I think these are inserts of the complete interviews, only lacking the live intros), which was another strand within the series - I think these series may have been attempts by the production team to insert some kind of pre-planning and structure into their lives, rather than just do a topical magazine every night of the year! There are quite a lot of LNLUs to go through, I'm afraid I haven't got the time to do it at the moment - it's one of a number of shows I would love to do an episode guide for (though it would probably be depressing to find what doesn't exist rather than what does).
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 14, 2004 18:58:00 GMT
[quote author=Guest-andrew martin
I'm afraid I haven't got the time to do it at the moment - it's one of a number of shows I would love to do an episode guide for (though it would probably be depressing to find what doesn't exist rather than what does). [/quote]
Yes. An episode guide would be good but I wasn't suggesting that though. I was only really asking what the contents were of the few surviving colour LNLUs recorded as P as Bs at the end of the run, as you mentioned they were - not an episode guide to the whole run (nice though that would be!) The handful of "regular" editions that survive on colour VT as whole shows (not inserts) was what I was asking about.
"Up Sunday": are there seven editions only? According to the Kal guide, there are a lot more than that (17 plus inserts / sequences from two others) - is this a mistake or is it correct? Do any of the surviving ones feature Viv Stanshall, by any chance/ I know he appeared in it.
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