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Post by Robert Manners on Sept 14, 2010 18:14:54 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCEOie3Z8VwI was doing my usual YouTube footage hunting a good while ago and found this clip of the opening tiles and very faint opening scene from episode 1 of ‘Terror of the Autons’ that was broadcast by WTTW Channel 11, that’s a PBS station in Chicago which if I am correct is also most likely the same channel that the off-air broadcast of the Silurian’s was made from in 1976. The Museum of Classic Chicago Television advises that this Doctor Who episode aired on local Chicago TV on Monday, March 7th 1977. (@ 11:45pm!), only a year before the gaps in the 625 PAL UK 2”Quad transmission masters was found to be the case, leaving only the 16mm Black & White film copies to represent this and other Jon Pertwee stories. Something I have been wondering for a while is when this was aired on Monday, March 7th 1977 from one of the 525 NTSC copies supplied to the various PBS stations who bought these episodes, did the UK 2” Quad that presumable this NTSC copy was dubbed from during the standards conversion process and most likely broadcast from in 1971 exist anymore in the BBC tape store or had it been wiped and re-used by March 1977? Also while we only had the one UK broadcast in colour did the PBS stations exceed their allowed number of times to broadcast these episodes and therefore give U.S viewers more chances to see and watch these episodes in colour compared to the UK viewers? Robert
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 14, 2010 19:32:04 GMT
Also while we only had the one UK broadcast in colour did the PBS stations exceed their allowed number of times to broadcast these episodes and therefore give U.S viewers more chances to see and watch these episodes in colour compared to the UK viewers? Robert All the now-lost PAL colour Pertwees were certainly wiped by late 1974. TVNZ / NZBC began colour transmissions in October 1973. When they bought more DW in late 1974, they could only be supplied with the stories that existed fully on colour PAL tape - Day of Daleks, Three Doctors, Carnival, Time Warrior, Death to Daleks, Monster of Peladon, and Planet of Spiders. Green Death had been banned in Australia, and wasn;'t available at that time. (NZ was the first country in the world outside the UK to screen Day, 3 Doctors and Carnival in the original PAL colour.) The US screenings began in 1972, and many of the channels bought multiple screenings. So yes, viewers in the US were the only people in the world outside the UK to see those first three seasons of Pertwees in colour. Jon |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 15, 2010 0:16:34 GMT
I can also add, that the ABC in Australia was offered (by the BBC's Sydney office) colour PAL tapes of seasons 7 and 8 in February 1972, and season 10 in September 1973.
They declined on the basis that colour transmissions were still a few years away (1975).
This means that the BBC still possesed full PAL copies of those three seasons (and presumably also season 9?) in 72/73.
The best conclusion to draw is that the London held PAL tapes were all wiped during 1973 and 1974.
Jon
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Post by Robert Manners on Sept 15, 2010 22:43:45 GMT
I can also add, that the ABC in Australia was offered (by the BBC's Sydney office) colour PAL tapes of seasons 7 and 8 in February 1972, and season 10 in September 1973. They declined on the basis that colour transmissions were still a few years away (1975). If they had took these episodes on 2” tape in 625 PAL I wonder if they would have kept them till 1975 and then as such held the only 625 line colour broadcast standard copies in the world! |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 16, 2010 6:01:06 GMT
If they had took these episodes on 2” tape in 625 PAL I wonder if they would have kept them till 1975 and then as such held the only 625 line colour broadcast standard copies in the world! Hm, chances are they got sent back to London. Inferno, The Mind of Evil and The Daemons weren't included in the offer as they had been 'rejected' by the censors. Jon |
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Post by Ally Wilson on Sept 16, 2010 13:10:07 GMT
I still clearly remember watching The Daemons in full colour on L.A. cable TV in 1991. No one bloody believes me  , but the memory does not cheat. I really need to track down a TV Guide of that vintage to figure out which channel it was on. It wasn't PBS, either! |
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Post by Robert Manners on Sept 16, 2010 16:42:44 GMT
I still clearly remember watching The Daemons in full colour on L.A. cable TV in 1991. No one bloody believes me , but the memory does not cheat. I really need to track down a TV Guide of that vintage to figure out which channel it was on. It wasn't PBS, either! Would it have been a scheduled broadcast do you think to be listed in a TV Guide of that period time! I wonder where the tapes went after broadcast? How many cable TV stations in 1991 would still be using 2” quads to make broadcast from? Would be a shame if they were junked after this broadcast after lasting so long! |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 16, 2010 19:51:56 GMT
I still clearly remember watching The Daemons in full colour on L.A. cable TV in 1991. No one bloody believes me , but the memory does not cheat. I really need to track down a TV Guide of that vintage to figure out which channel it was on. It wasn't PBS, either! The Pertwees were indeed still being sold in the early 1990s to USA PBS channels - KCET in LA for instance - as well as to the SciFi channel on cable. It's remotely possible that the station you saw was still using the old colour tapes that had been in circulation since 1972 rather than using the 'new' b/w copies supplied by the BBC. But after nearly 20 years of use those tapes couldn't have been in very good condition! Even if you did find a TV Guide listing for that time, would it specify if it was in colour or b/w ? Jon |
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Post by simonashby on Sept 16, 2010 22:53:58 GMT
The Pertwees were indeed still being sold in the early 1990s to USA PBS channels - KCET in LA for instance - as well as to the SciFi channel on cable. It's remotely possible that the station you saw was still using the old colour tapes that had been in circulation since 1972 rather than using the 'new' b/w copies supplied by the BBC. But after nearly 20 years of use those tapes couldn't have been in very good condition! Even if you did find a TV Guide listing for that time, would it specify if it was in colour or b/w ? Jon This is all very fascinating! Surely there will be documentation of stations that aired 'The Daemons' at the BBC in 1991. Surely it's just a case of the RT getting the documents and phoning the stations? |
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Post by Ally Wilson on Sept 17, 2010 0:29:20 GMT
I still clearly remember watching The Daemons in full colour on L.A. cable TV in 1991. No one bloody believes me , but the memory does not cheat. I really need to track down a TV Guide of that vintage to figure out which channel it was on. It wasn't PBS, either! The Pertwees were indeed still being sold in the early 1990s to USA PBS channels - KCET in LA for instance - as well as to the SciFi channel on cable. It's remotely possible that the station you saw was still using the old colour tapes that had been in circulation since 1972 rather than using the 'new' b/w copies supplied by the BBC. But after nearly 20 years of use those tapes couldn't have been in very good condition! Even if you did find a TV Guide listing for that time, would it specify if it was in colour or b/w ? Jon I came back to New Zealand in 1992. TVNZ screened the story in black-and-white in 1993 and I watched it with my friend who was a member of the NZDWFC. I happened to mention that I had seen it in colour in the States a year or two previously, and he flatly told me that was quite impossible.  which is what everyone's told me ever since! I never had an opportunity to view the colour-restored version until the next repeat in 2000, when I was 18, so there are no memories being mixed up. The mystery remains, how I managed to see that story in colour in the States. |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 17, 2010 23:38:04 GMT
Surely there will be documentation of stations that aired 'The Daemons' at the BBC in 1991. Surely it's just a case of the RT getting the documents and phoning the stations? I'm sure there is, and that they have. |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 20, 2010 5:55:12 GMT
I still clearly remember watching The Daemons in full colour on L.A. cable TV in 1991. No one bloody believes me , but the memory does not cheat. I really need to track down a TV Guide of that vintage to figure out which channel it was on. It wasn't PBS, either! I do have an old LA TV Guide for the week 2-8 May 1992, and the only listing for Doctor Who is on Saturday, 9.00am-10.30am on channel 28, which is the PBS station KCET. Unfortunately no story title is given. Jon |
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, but the memory does not cheat.
which is what everyone's told me ever since!