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Post by Tim Disney on Jul 31, 2009 19:08:33 GMT
I'm just downloading episode 23 myself now, so will let you know if it's nasty. I can confirm as per Brett's earlier comments and having just checked out episode 23 for myself that the DVD downloads are great. They seem to served up from a speedy server too, so if you have a fast connection, you'll get good speeds. Now imagine being able to buy some British music shows like this too :-)
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Post by Oliver Roemer on Aug 1, 2009 17:50:25 GMT
There's a clip - on one of the Beat Club COMPILATIONS which were issued a few years ago, where if memory serves the Small Faces are performing, and for a second or so the camera pans on to a bemused DLT! Always loved that bit! Think it's on the 'Wild Thing' compilation, which was a cheapy in the shops.... If I remember it correctly, this was part of Beat-Club No. 24 which was broadcast from the international exhibition for Radio and Television (Internationale Funkausstellung) in Berlin in September 1967. At this exhibition, Germany startet into the era of colour television and this was the first Beat-Club ever to be broadcast in colour. The Small Faces performed "Green Circles" and "Itchycoo Park" during this episode. Unfortunately, this episode was only available in colour to very few people around this time, as nearly nobody had an extremly expensive colour TV then. Even worse is the fact, that only a black & white copy of this show is known to exist in the archive today, so this is the one you see in the box-set. It is rumoured, that a copy of this show in colour is in posession of a private collector in Austria, who once worked for the austrian broadcasting company ORF that also showed Beat-Club like other countries around the world , but nothing has been confirmed. This show was a pilot for colour TV and Radio Bremen didn't broadcast "Beat-Club" in colour in earnest until two and a half years later (although the studios in Bremen were very modern at the time, they were even prepared for Stereo Sound, something that did not start on german TV until the early 80's !!), Episode 51, January 1970, was the first one. Regards, Oliver. P.S. After watching Episode 24 on videoload.de I recognised, that nearly the complete Beat-Club No. 24 was shown as part of the late summer 1967 edition on "Rock Archiv" in the early 90's !!
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Post by StevePhillips on Aug 1, 2009 22:10:23 GMT
Somebody, somewhere, certainly has that colour "Beat-Club" (the one with the Small Faces) as grabs from it have been put up online.
Difficult to tell, but they seem to be from a broadcast-quality source, rather than a home video.
Personally, I would have bought the box sets if they had a good sample of the "lost" Beat-Club clips on it (the ones listed qv on this forum), but it's just performances I have over and over on VHS so I'll stick with that for now.
Much more interested in buying the (supposedly) forthcoming "Musikladen" set, as those are shown a lot less often.
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Post by Bob Savage (robstar) on Aug 2, 2009 0:31:49 GMT
There was a commercial release about 10 years ago of a Small Faces cd that had an accompanying cd rom which was supposed to be the colour performance of the Small Faces from this Beat Club episode. I'm sure I read a review of it in Record Collector magazine.
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Post by Oliver Roemer on Aug 2, 2009 19:51:35 GMT
Hmm, very strange. I read about this Small Faces clip now a few times in other forums but I never actually saw it, some quotes even said that it was from Colour Me Pop in 1968 and that it was simply a mistake. Has anyone of you ever seen this Clip ?? Which song was on it, "Green Circles" or "Itchycoo Park" ?? If it were only screen grabs, then it might have been totally different as there were existing colour photographs of the show in local german pop magazines like BRAVO. As for Musikladen, the shows were more often repeated than the original Beat-Clubs throughout the years and even now, every Sunday night, they are on telly at Bayerisches Fernsehen (Bavarian Television, third programme), as part of ARD-station "Bayerischer Rundfunk" (BR): www.br-online.de/br/jsp/global/funktion/programmvorschau/programmfahne.jsp;jsessionid=FFEPNZW0QZWIQCSBUKTCM4Q?datum=02.08.2009&programm=BFSRegards, Oliver.
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Post by StevePhillips on Aug 2, 2009 21:53:42 GMT
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Post by Oliver Roemer on Aug 3, 2009 0:44:39 GMT
Wow, thanks Steve ! From what I can see on the pictures and from what I've seen in black & white (memorising the moves of the group), I'd say that all four screen grabs are from the performance of "Green Circles". So, this tape must exist somewhere and the quality is not too bad from what I see. It is realy strange, that Radio Bremen doesn't know something about these pictures. Thanx again, Oliver.
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Aug 3, 2009 7:45:57 GMT
A mate of mine did a brill compilation of Small faces stuff and Green Circles in colour is on there in glorious colour.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 13:06:36 GMT
It would be great to see these clips in good quality colour! Was the whole show in colour, does anyone know? One online ep guide suggests that parts of that edition were and some other parts were in b/w.
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Post by Sal Mohammed on Aug 3, 2009 14:32:48 GMT
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Post by Oliver Roemer on Aug 3, 2009 14:38:43 GMT
Hi Laurence, as I mentioned earlier, the complete show was broadcast (it was taped much earlier though, as the exhibition took place between August 25th and September the 3rd 1967and the Beat-Club broadcasting date for show No. 24 was on 23/09/1967 !!) in colour for the very first time and at the beginning the show's host, Uschi Nerke, can be seen right next next to one of the new colour television cameras (made by Philips in the Netherlands as neither FESE, later BOSCH Fernsehtechnik in Germany nor EMI in the UK had their PAL cameras ready right in time for the exhibition in Berlin !!) that had a big sign saying "NDR" for "Norddeutscher Rundfunk" on it, the ARD station that did the recording for Radio Bremen. Uschi explains that "this big thing beside me is the vehicle that supports the colourful pictures for the few lucky ones to own a colour television set, but she hopes that the programme is as coluorful as ever for the rest of the 99,9% of television viewers who still watched the show in black & white". I also found this small article on tv.com: This episode was originally in color. But recent repeats and even the DVD releases of this episode have been in Black & White. One exception is a 1985 USA Network "Night Flight" broadcast of Cat Stevens' "Come On And Dance" clip, which has a tinge of color when the audience is shown.
Peter Krause provided the following information about the Berlin 'Funkausstellung': "The very first color TV broadcasts in Germany were specials from the 'Funkausstellung' (Exhibition or fair of the TV- and Radio Industry) in Berlin beginning 25 August 1967. One of the specials was Beat-Club No. 24. "At this time only 5,800 Color-TV sets existed in West-Germany, so most people saw the broadcasts in black & white. This was the reason why most TV-Shows were produced in b/w for many months to come. The 'Funkausstellung' color broadcasts were one-time specials. In December 1969, Beat-Club switched to color on a permanent basis."
Best regards, Oliver.
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Post by Oliver Roemer on Aug 3, 2009 15:05:00 GMT
Excuse me, but you don't seem to know very much about the Beat-Club history. This clip is a part of Beat-Club No. 18 that was taped by Radio Bremen at the Marquee Club in London (with the help of Intertel Television- and Videoservices) and was broadcast on 11/03/1967 in its original black and white format. During the early 70's, when Beat-Club producer Mike Leckebusch started his new programme "Musikladen", a regular part of the show was an "Oldie-Corner" in which the viewers could select their favourite from a selection of four older music performances via a "phone in" At the end of each show, the winning clip who got most of the votes was shown. Quite often the clips that were shown were from "Beat-Club", but as "Musikladen" was a programm in full colour, the black & white clips fom the shows before 1970 were treated with an electonic "coluor filter", in this case it is mainly purple that was added (I've seen this clip on "Musikladen" !), but this wasn't true colour tv !!! As I said before, colour television didn't start in Germany for real before August 1967. Regards, Oliver.
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Aug 5, 2009 12:04:33 GMT
Oliver!
I've been away on holiday so maybe you would know.
Did the episode of Beatclub that was not on the boxset get repeated yet? It featured clips from uk tv apparantly.
We'd like to know if there are any totp, tyls or rsg clips on there!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 12:28:26 GMT
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Post by FrankMeier on Aug 5, 2009 13:55:17 GMT
Kevin,
Eins Festival does repeat on 13. August: Beat-Club 13
By the way , I just get informed by Joerg Sonntag from Radio Bremen , that the Program director withdraw Vinyl from their further schedule. So after the Klaus Voormann Story Part I + II there are no new Vinyl shows - which means also no chance to get unreleased material on broadcast anymore.
So after 115 Vinyl shows and 11 Lost Concerts and one Beatles Special this source dried out.
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