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Post by FrankMeier on Aug 11, 2009 14:17:39 GMT
Steve, got a hold of Jörg Sonntag at Radio Bremen. The reason why this is in colour is quite simple. They recorded it in Colour but technically they were not able to broadcast it in colour. So there seem to be some more performances in colour in their archive. Sadly Jörg's show Vinyl was cancelled , so that we get no chance to see these on TV for the time being. Some of these never broadcast clips/performances were shown in Vinyl shows in the last two year. I've recorded 115 Shows plus 11 "Lost concerts" with partly also unreleased material. But hope that Jörg has a long breath. He said he won't give up. Let's wait and see ..... Meanwhile I am searching for Musikladen Extra material and found following performances (Containing Musikladen extra , Beat Club Workshop and Beat Club III) partly released on DVD and partly only repeated on TV : Frank Zappa & the Mothers 1968 Black Sabbath 1970 Donovan 1972 Doors RA 1972 Osmonds 1972 Stephen Stills & Manasass 1972 Stone the crows 1972 Blood Sweat & Tears 1973 Melanie 1973 Sha Na Na 1973 Baker Gurvitz Army 1974 Country Joe Mc Donald 1974 Dr. Hook and the Medicine show1974 Roxy Music 1974 Songwriter RA 1974 Van Morrison 1974 Wilma Reading 1974 America 1975 Kings of Blues RA 1975 Hall & Oates 1976 Heatwave 1976 Memphis Slim RA 1976 Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel 1976 Dolly Parton 1977 Emmylou Harris 1977 Johnny Guitar Watson RA 1977 Puhdys 1977 Smokey Robinson 1977 Angelo Branduardi 1978 Blondie 1978 David Bowie 1978 Ramones 1978 Steve Hackett 1978 Al Stewart 1979 Cars 1979 Police 1979 Fischer Z 1981 Iron Maiden 1981 James Brown 1981 Little River Band 1981 ML extra German I 1981 Tenpole Tudor 1981 Tubes 1981 Billy Squier 1982 Grobschnitt 1982 Kool and the Gang RA 1982 ML extra German II 1982 Shakin' Stevens 1982 UK Subs 1982 Chris Rea RA 1983 Waylon Jennings 1983 Sparks damals und heute 1994 Ashton & Dyke Date unknown Dokken Date unknown Duane Eddy Date unknown Inga Rumpf Date unknown Insterburg Date unknown Procol Harum Date unknown Santana Date unknown Spliff Date unknown T.Rex TRIO Date unknown Yes Date unknown Zeltinger Date unknown The Book Musikladen is still not released and m/m 5 times postponed due to problems with the rights of Photos etc. This book will contain also a List of unreleased Material out of Musikladen. regards Frank |
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Post by StevePhillips on Aug 11, 2009 21:04:20 GMT
Steve, got a hold of Jörg Sonntag at Radio Bremen. The reason why this is in colour is quite simple. They recorded it in Colour but technically they were not able to broadcast it in colour. Thanks Frank, but I think the point being made is, even if they couldn't broadcast it in colour *then*, why aren't the colour versions of the clips used *now*? Does Jorg say whether RB have that stuff in colour or not? Hope the Musikladen book will be out soon. Personally, I'd like to see a complete set list of the two Blondie sessions, as when one thinks one has all the tracks from these, others appear! Some seem to have been used on the official ML programmes for these concerts; some other clips (otherwise unused) were used stand-alone on later ML editions; and yet others remain only on the unedited studio tapes. |
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Post by Oliver Roemer on Aug 11, 2009 22:28:05 GMT
Hello Steve, hello Frank,
Jörg told me about 8 months ago, that they still have to locate that 1967 colour tape and as I said before, I gave him the adress of a supposedly owner of a second generation copy in Austria, but I never heard of Jörg again if he succeeded in his investigations or if he ever has tried to contact this guy.
As far as I know, they haven't found the colour version, neither in the archive of Radio Bremen, nor in the archive of NDR in Hamburg who were probably recording the tape at the Funkausstellung, using the "LDK3" colour-TV cameras, build by Philips in the Netherlands. You can see one of these cameras right at the beginning of Beat-Club No. 24 standing next to BC presenter Uschi Nerke, bearing an NDR logo with a few colour bars.
As I wrote before, the studios were absolutely "up to date" and "state of the art" in 1967, the problem was that they didn't have the colour cameras by then.
Radio Bremen was still using the b & w camera "FESE- KOF", build around 1964.
As the FESE in Darmstadt, the main tv-camera/tv equipment builders in Germany, weren't able to support a suitably colour-TV camera at the time of the Funkausstellung in August/September 1967, neither were they for the newly build tv-studios in Bremen (!) and most of the ARD transmitters were not prepared to transmit a broadcast in colour at this time, but I'm pretty sure that they recorded it in colour, so there must have been an existing source tape.
Actually, because the FESE weren't able to support their own colour cameras at the Funkausstellung, they even had to buy and install these Philips LDK3 into all three of their newly build transmission vans (two were made for the ARD stations "NDR" and "WDR", the other was for the second german television channel "ZDF"), that were made and equiped especially for the start of the coloured tv-age in Berlin.
It's just a rough guess, but as one of these fully equiped transmission vans was made for "NDR television" and one of their cameras can be seen in Beat-Club No. 24, it is very likely that the recording of this colour edition took place inside this van.
As for Jörg's hope to continue one day with a format like "Vinyl", I can confirm Frank's statement, as Jörg Sonntag wrote his hopes also in an e-mail to me that I received from him on Monday.
Regards,
Oliver.
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Post by FrankMeier on Aug 12, 2009 13:00:36 GMT
Steve
Jörg said that these recording are only tests that time. I don't know wether Jörg has it in the archive but I will ask him and let you know. My personal feeling is that it is not in hands of Radio Bremen but could imagine that the NDR kept the material.
regards
Frank
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Post by Oliver Roemer on Aug 12, 2009 17:12:51 GMT
Hi Frank, off course they were titled as tests, because the whole television system still wasn't completely build up for colour in Germany at that time and if you look into old television guides of the late 60's like "HörZu" or even in "BRAVO", you'll only find very few shows, series or films that were broadcast in colour, the german ARD tv-stations even had a special trailer that was shown before each transmission "in colour" ("in Farbe", "Farbrosette der ARD") at that time.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=okRVPvGHtTcSome formats, like the daily german news programme "Tagesschau" were still complete or partly in black & white even by 1974 !!! As I said, Jörg told me he still had to look for that tape so my guess is, that it isn't in the archive at Radio Bremen. It won't be in Hamburg (NDR) either, because the complete restauration of the box sets was done and marketed in Hamburg, if they had the tape, I'm pretty sure that they (Studio Hamburg Atelier GmbH that is) would have used it. Regards, Oliver. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2009 17:58:44 GMT
The mystery behind this colour edition of Beat Club is fascinating to me. Hopefully the issue will be resolved eventually, the tape located (it seems to exist in broadcast quality but it's just trying to identify who actually has custody of it that is the problem!) and maybe we'll all get a chance to see it in good quality!
I recently ordered the first two volumes of the German Beat Club complete DVD set recently and both arrived within a few days. I'm saving these for the end of the year though, as a Christmas present to myself, as they should prove to be a highlight of the DVD year for me!
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Post by Alan Turrell on Aug 12, 2009 18:53:54 GMT
Laurence, where do you buy these dvds from and are they complete episodes ?
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Post by Oliver Roemer on Aug 12, 2009 19:18:49 GMT
Hello Alan, you only have to go to the beginning of this thread and you'll find the answer to your questions!  |
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Post by Tim Disney on Aug 12, 2009 20:41:41 GMT
I'm saving these for the end of the year though, as a Christmas present to myself, as they should prove to be a highlight of the DVD year for me! I'm glad you managed to get these Laurence. I'm sure you'll love them. I too hope that the elusive colour tape gets found as it's a great edition of the show. Colour would be the icing on the cake for the Small Faces clip alone, not to mention the rest of the line-up. P.S Frank, thanks for the reminder about Beat Club 13. That will make a welcome addition to the collection :-) |
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Aug 12, 2009 21:36:32 GMT
I was watching some Beatclub tonight and Uschi was talking in front of a camera. She may have been talking about the colour episode. my German is very poor unfortunately.
It goes into green Circles by the Small faces. I have that in colour. An obvious one to test in colour! Whether this clip was colourised I am not sure.
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Post by FrankMeier on Aug 13, 2009 11:56:59 GMT
Steve,
this coloured Small Faces recording seem to be not in the archive. Jörg said that it could be possible that this coloured recording either coloured digitally afterwards or simply someone take this recording with him. He also confirmed Cat Stevens coloured recordings but these were also aired in colour. So very mysterious is this coloured Small Faces recording.
Kevin - you said you have it - is this from a Video Compilation ? If yes , which one ?
A reminder : Tonight on Eins Festival - Vinyl - Beat Club 13 0:30 H !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2009 13:24:08 GMT
I'm wondering if this might be a fan-colourised job after all? Has anybody actually seen an A1 pin sharp copy? As i've only seen some frame grabs myself, I can't comment on the quality of the moving clips that seem to be around. The stills suggest it's been done fairly well if so but it's easier to pass off any deficiencies in the colourisation if the video source is not that great anyway. Just a thought...
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Post by Oliver Roemer on Aug 13, 2009 15:44:10 GMT
Hi Laurence, I don't believe that the clips of the Small Faces were "colourised" by a fan or so. If I have to judge by the screen grabs alone, the colours are perfect everywhere, no signs of "repasted" coluors that look milky or like pastells which are often being used on b & w recolourisations, and you don't see any b & w contrasts. The only thing I can see on those grabs if I examine them closer, is the typical "bleeding" of the colours around the edges of each object and person, something that is standard for 2nd or 3rd generation VHS copies, so this comes from a private source. Just my two cents. Regards, Oliver. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2009 16:29:07 GMT
Thanks for that, Oliver.
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Post by StevePhillips on Nov 8, 2009 19:29:53 GMT
I'm really enjoying these Beatclub box sets - the 60s chart ones rather than the later 70s progressive ones. It's amazing how, after so many years of the airwaves bombarding us with Sixties stuff, I still manage to find little unheard gems. Raymond Frogatt doing "Roly" was great, as was Brian Poole (without the Tremeloes) doing "Send Her To Me". As was Family Dogg with "Way of Life" and Procol Harum doing "On Gone Geek". Hits none of them, but nice little rarities. Also, very pleased to find an early Pan's People on there as guest "go-go" dancers: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL2_71UvADg&fmt=18 |
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