William re dick fiddy posting
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Post by William re dick fiddy posting on May 26, 2004 13:29:15 GMT
the fear of been seen as an anoying pest has always prevented me from actualy contacting any tv stations and the secondary fear that it may cause them to destroy material in order to avoid legal action
to Dick Fiddy just out of interest how much material do you feel may exist by that I mean your gut instict either % or specific programs, the answer if you feel your able to give one is we understand proof of nothing.
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Post by Dick Fiddy on May 26, 2004 17:43:54 GMT
I'm optimistic that quite a lot of material may exist in foreign archives especially in the US, Cyprus, Africa, New Zealand and perhaps Hong Kong. Percentages are hard to figure but at the rate material has been unearthed it's likely we'll be finding 'lost' items for many years to come. Of course there are other sources - materials kept by people who worked on programmes seems to be another lucrative area.
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Post by The Wooksta on May 26, 2004 23:33:16 GMT
I doubt - although I would like to be wrong - that anything that's currently missing will turn up in the Beeb's archives now that the transfer to D3 is complete.
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Post by lfbarfe on May 26, 2004 23:48:27 GMT
How about this for an idea?....Now that Mr grade is at the helm....perhaps someone could write to him requesting a complete and thorugh serch of the beeb archives..(WITHOUT SOUNDING "PIE-IN-THE-SKY"ish).useing the correct and polite approach....who knows....i gather hes not to keen on D.W.....but you never know...worth a try eh?....... Have you ever been inside the BBC archives, Lester? I have, and a complete and thorough search (note spelling) would probably take years, and consume vast amounts of money and resources. With the charter review and the defence of the licence fee at the top of his agenda, hasn't he got enough to be thinking about? Moreover, to sanction what amounts to a very expensive and time-consuming version of searching for needles in a bloody huge haystack just as the Corporation is trying to justify its access to public money could be seen as suicidal.
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Post by andrew martin on May 27, 2004 9:53:24 GMT
All the BBC's 2" material was transferred to D3 or digibeta, as its 1" material is in the process of being. However there is at least as much stuff which is only on film, including telerecordings. There is some chance that some of this - and I would emphasise that out of hundreds of thousands of items it is unlikely to be more than a literal handful - could be other than what they are supposed to be, such as the recent "Marty" and "Adam Adamant" finds. It would indeed take a long time to go through every single can to check if it is what it is supposed to be, and maybe some day that can be done. In the meantime, some ad hoc checking does go on, which if nothing else can turn up extra material such as continuity, trailers etc on telerecordings of live programmes.
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Post by Jeremy Williams on May 27, 2004 10:16:13 GMT
Do you remember the guns amnesty a few years ago, where people could hand their guns in without being prosercuted? Maybe the BBC could have a VT and Film amnesty, where foreign TV stations can send back material without fear of any legal problems, it wouldn't surprise me if some of these foreign stations took it upon themselves to distribute some of the tapes to countries that haven't been searched yet, if you see what i mean!
And then there's closer to home too, director's, producers, even performers keep copies of their work, so it wouldn't surprise me if Lulu or Cliff Richard has some of their missing shows on their shelves at home!
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Post by Lester on May 27, 2004 11:59:16 GMT
Thats a good point Jezza....has anybody approached Cliff Richard and asked if hes got any Oh Boy! shows?....as i stated before, Bob Monkhouse was a big collector of archive matrieal, so there is a start, but i think you are right to say that it is a legal matter...now this could start a big debate here...or maby because of the current situation out there (overseas), and as somebody mentioned on a past thread, t.v stations get worried about legal matters and destroy footage, also to Mr Barfe....No...i`ve never been in the beeb archives, much as i`d like to...did you get a chance to look at/in any cans at all?.....interesting thought.....
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Post by lfbarfe on May 27, 2004 12:30:15 GMT
Do you remember the guns amnesty a few years ago, where people could hand their guns in without being prosercuted? Maybe the BBC could have a VT and Film amnesty, where foreign TV stations can send back material without fear of any legal problems, it wouldn't surprise me if some of these foreign stations took it upon themselves to distribute some of the tapes to countries that haven't been searched yet, if you see what i mean! I thought the main problem was not that overseas stations were scared to send stuff back, but that they don't necessarily know what they have and don't have the time and resources to check. As far as I can tell, and I speak as someone who arranged the return of a missing programme to the BBC archives, the corporation's policy is now one of simple gratitude. It's a possibility. The missing prog referred to above came from the collection of one of the musicians involved.
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Post by lfbarfe on May 27, 2004 12:37:11 GMT
also to Mr Barfe....No...i`ve never been in the beeb archives, much as i`d like to...did you get a chance to look at/in any cans at all?.....interesting thought..... Yep, I ran along the corridors, pulling tapes off the shelves at random and opening the containers. At the end of the visit, I was garlanded from head to foot in 2" quad tape. Er, what do you think? I was being shown round by one of the archivists. I kept my hands to myself and let him show me things that he thought would interest me. And if I'd been shown the insides of cans/tape boxes, I'd have probably been very underwhelmed - one tape looks much like another of the same format. It's what's on it that matters, and the label doesn't necessarily tell the truth, which is how we got here in the first place. Andrew Martin's eminently sober, sensible and reasonable post sums the whole thing up better than I can, and does so from an insider's PoV.
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Post by Lester on May 27, 2004 15:38:12 GMT
Mr Barfe....thanks for the comment...i do agree with you that "The lable does not always tell the truth"....still....i do envy you haveing visited the archives, still i suppose matrieal will surface....but not in our life time, Mr Martins thread is totally right...good to know some serching is being done...slow, but good results.
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Post by lfbarfe on May 28, 2004 14:35:45 GMT
Mr Barfe....thanks for the comment...i do agree with you that "The lable does not always tell the truth"....still....i do envy you haveing visited the archives Steady on. I was visiting a friend at work. It wasn't a trolley dash. I'm sure Mr Martin feels that your approval validates his whole existence.
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Post by Lester on May 28, 2004 15:34:47 GMT
Thank you.....but on a serious note, as i already stated, its good to know serching is being commenced, with the correct approach...Mr Barfe....is that your first visit to the archives?
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Post by William Martin on May 29, 2004 13:12:07 GMT
I'm optimistic that quite a lot of material may exist in foreign archives especially in the US, Cyprus, Africa, New Zealand and perhaps Hong Kong. Percentages are hard to figure but at the rate material has been unearthed it's likely we'll be finding 'lost' items for many years to come. Of course there are other sources - materials kept by people who worked on programmes seems to be another lucrative area. interesting , which of those archives do you think will yeald the most finds? as for people copying or taking material (there are the top of the pops clips) as I understand it, most TRs were dumped in land fill rather than burned, so were are a number of opertunities for film to go walkies between the archive and the dump. Do you think any diplomatic aproaches to drivers, dump site managers etc may turn up anything?
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Post by steve davies on May 29, 2004 13:16:57 GMT
I admire Dick for standing up and saying what a lot of people think. The only real way (albeit unlikely and very hard) is to do exactly that, go over to foreign stations and do the dirty job yourselves. A lot of people who say this obviously get rounded on, but when a man in the position Dick is in, the guns fall silent. Missing material is obviously out there, in this country and abroad. How much is debatable. This does open a wider scenario, people may say that foreign archives are not awash with cast amounts of British stuff, but again we do not know this, if people can not be actually bothered to check, how do we know? Also if, for eg, Gibralter sent back over fifty missing episodes of childrens shows, would we get to hear about it like the trumpet fanfare we heard when DMP2 Turned up? More so , would the BBC take the whole lot back? There has been evidence to suggest on this very website that missing material has been turned down by the bbc. It does seem the BFI is the main organisation for finding lost material. Compare the MBW screenings lately, if you told me at MBW 1 that in ten years time we would be finding episodes of high profile missing series like Docotr Who, Adm Adamant Lives and TDUDP and getting to see them, I would have said no chance, but here we are. I know the BBC is not able to check its own stock due to its vast size, but I feel that the BBC should do more in that field ( correct me if i am wrong) as it appears it isnt. Surely the bbc and of ocurse other archives should do more in terms of getting the most accurate up to database possible, maybe the bbc is able to check the smaller archives like BBC Wales etc, Again, why is there no more appeals like the original and certainly succesful treasure hunt which unearthed 2 Dads Army episodes amongst other items. Anyone checking the website finds it out of date. Surely it can not be that hard? Luckily we have the Restoration team who, amongst their many talents agree to act as go -betweens for episode recoveries. It's hard to believe but these guys are not Supermen. A greater and constant effort may produce greater results all round. Fingers crossed but not holding breathe.
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Post by Brian D not logged in on May 29, 2004 19:54:20 GMT
Steady on. I was visiting a friend at work. It wasn't a trolley dash. I'm sure Mr Martin feels that your approval validates his whole existence. Mr Barfe, you seem to be a peculiarly sarcastic and cynical individual, picture of cuddly dog notwithstanding. Is this the appropriate tone to adopt on what is an amateur message board of presumably like-minded people, or are you being totally tongue in cheek?
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