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Post by Peter Elliott on Dec 14, 2008 17:48:58 GMT
so no full set of pertwee's in colour. in fact has it been ascertained which pertwee's this "problem" happened in? Contrary to what you may have heard or believed, the BBC frequently forgot to switch off the colour information so quite a lot of b+w t/r's have colour info that can be restored. In the case of Jon Pertwee's Doctor Who b+w episodes, ALL of them have colour info except for "Mind Of Evil" episode 1.
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Post by Robert Manners on Dec 14, 2008 21:33:42 GMT
<In the case of Jon Pertwee's Doctor Who b+w episodes, ALL of them have colour info except for "Mind Of Evil" episode 1.>
It would be one of the episodes that has no offair 525 NTSC colour source to help bridge the shortfall!
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Post by Peter Elliott on Dec 14, 2008 21:52:04 GMT
It would be one of the episodes that has no offair 525 NTSC colour source to help bridge the shortfall! Yeah, such is the law of sod! So the other 5 episodes could be re-coloured using this method but unless an off air miraculously turns there are just two options - colourisation from scratch (which would be very expensive) - or leave it in b+w. To be truthful, IMO that episode actually works a treat in b+w. Same goes for episode 1 of "Invasion Of The Dinosaurs"... bags more atmosphere and when colour VT returns in episode 2, the results are less than thrilling! lol
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Post by Peter Chadwick on Dec 15, 2008 7:05:17 GMT
Apart from the sound sync problem, did anyone notice that the aspect ratio looked a little odd, with people seeming a little too tall?.
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Post by Phil Chappell on Dec 15, 2008 8:55:39 GMT
I've just watched back my recording from SKY+ and it all looked in sync to me. Was it just on freeview or something where it was out of sync? Colour was very impressive considering the method used - in fact I thought the actual sections which were on film as opposed to video looked better than they would have done originally due to the restoration!
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Post by Jeff Lewis on Dec 18, 2008 20:21:24 GMT
Does anybody know the price of this colour restoration process? Would the BBC or any other TV company restore the programmes mentioned in this thread to their original condition if it has no intention to release them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2008 17:13:26 GMT
Well, at the moment, the colour recovery process is limited to BBC programmes (and even then to a narrow range of series). Sadly, a lot of the technical innovations of the Dr.Who restoration team (i.e. colour recovery process, Vidfire and reverse standards conversion) have hardly been used outside Doctor Who, Quatermass & The Pit and one or two other items I can think of. This is a great shame as there are numerous ITV shows that really need this kind of a makeover, not to mention lots of other BBC ones.
Time will tell, I suppose, but the DW team have dramatically raised the bar quality-wise and their efforts make other scratchy old t/rs and poorly (or non) restored material seem suddenly unacceptable by comparison.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Dec 19, 2008 17:44:05 GMT
Time will tell, I suppose, but the DW team have dramatically raised the bar quality-wise and their efforts make other scratchy old t/rs and poorly (or non) restored material seem suddenly unacceptable by comparison. Spot on... the DW restoration teams work has been utterly astounding and the DVD's they have produced remain object lessons in how archive TV should be handled, packaged and released. That range is by and far the very best archiver TV DVD's released... and their work on the Quatermass DVDs was amazing too. They have set a very high standard and it is annoying and disappointing that though the BBC have VidFire at their fingertips and other tools they rarely ever use them. Since the DW team showed what was possible, the BBC put out the complete Steptoes, Hancocks and Likely Lads and I was disgusted with how they were handled... with hissy scratchy soundtracks, all manner of picture faults and no VidFire, DVD highlighted how poor shape some of those shows really are in and they deserved much better treatment than a mere quickie transfer. Those shows are legendary - they deserve cleaning up and VidFiring but sadly I'm not at the BBC or 2Entertain. Having said all that, at least the BBC did take time and care over the Dads Army DVD's for which I'm eternally grateful. If they treated other shows the same way, I'd buy them in an instant.
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Post by Steve Roberts on Dec 19, 2008 17:57:07 GMT
Can I just jump in here to point out that the amazing Colour Recovery process is nothing to do with the RT, it's a product of James Insell's Colour Recovery Working Group. Credit where it's due and all that! Also, although we suggested RSC, it's a product of BBC R&D, not us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2008 18:06:24 GMT
Yes, quite true. The point I was making really was that the DW team's Dr.Who releases are one of the few areas to make full use of these processes so far (although RSC has been applied to a range of BBC items that were previously NTSC) and widening their useage to other programmes (including ITV ones) would be very welcome indeed! I know this isn't your team's decision, of course.
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