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Post by Doug Wulf on Nov 9, 2008 1:34:10 GMT
If an old North American videotape has a label 'Mind of Evil', the only sure way to verify that it's not a color off-air recording, but rather obtained via tape trading, is to play the tape.
Lance is paying a fair amount of money to do just that. Odds are that it is not an off-air color copy, but let's not bet against him, OK? Let's not state in advance that there's no chance of success here. We're not psychic. One tape is labeled Wimbledon '77, so we really, really don't know for sure.
If someone were to find such an off-air recording, it would be by doing exactly what Lance is doing now. Let's not discourage such people from spending time and money and trying. Finding something rare is mostly just a process of look-and-see.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2008 15:52:02 GMT
I'm fully behind anyone who at least tries an avenue that may not produce anything interesting at all! I think it's extremely negative to second guess any attempt as pointless before it's been tried (as many are fond of doing!) But...let's keep the discussion civil, people? The bickering is what gives us all a bad name. I say good luck to Lance though...
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Post by LanceM on Nov 9, 2008 22:45:36 GMT
Hello Again,
Firstly I wanted to state my thanks to all for the support here on this matter. As was stated before, sometimes clutching at straws is all there is left to do. I also deeply appreciate all the information, and support here from all for all the efforts being made to ascertain the contents of this collection, many thanks again there.
Going from what has been stated here would tend to lean either way on the matter. Until the machine arrives ( which is currently en-route ) I remain optimistic on the tape contents, seeing the one tape labeled Wimbledon 77', leaves some hope possibly? But then again, these may very well just be dubs from the Lundy Tapes that have been doing the rounds for some time.
I had purchased the listed lot of tapes, but there was also another batch of 60 + tapes being sold by the same seller at the time ( Dr.Who content, as well as a variety of random tapes, will be using one of these random unlabeled tapes to test the player upon arrival, as has been suggested, many thanks for the great suggestion there), which did not sell, which I also purchased along with the posted lot of tapes, as thought that " a shot in the dark is better than no shot at all. I have been pondering of late wondering if there could be any chance these were generational copies, made on another format, and later transfered to Beta Tapes for trading, and easy viewing ? No idea if this is possible or not, but have heard examples of this happening in the past, just a random thought on the matter.
As always, I will attempt to do my utmost best in the matter. If nothing comes of it, at least the attempt was made.
Many thanks again to all for the support here, is very much appreciated.
Cheers, Lance.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Nov 9, 2008 22:57:23 GMT
Firstly I wanted to state my thanks to all for the support here on this matter. As was stated before, sometimes clutching at straws is all there is left to do. Absolutely! A few months ago I purchased a 200ft reel of Standard-8 as it was dated as being taken on Christmas Day 1965 - the same day as The Feast of Steven, just on the off chance that there might be something of interest of there. Drew a blank though! ;D All the best to you Lance! At least you know that none of the silliness here is directed at the efforts you've made. Richard
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Post by Paul Ryan on Nov 9, 2008 23:54:57 GMT
Agreed. Let's a take a breather on all the tension and just see what we see. Best of luck Lance and even if nothing comes of it, thanks for going the distance.
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Post by Doug Wulf on Nov 10, 2008 4:04:22 GMT
Hello Again, Firstly I wanted to state my thanks to all for the support here on this matter. As was stated before, sometimes clutching at straws is all there is left to do. I also deeply appreciate all the information, and support here from all for all the efforts being made to ascertain the contents of this collection, many thanks again there. Going from what has been stated here would tend to lean either way on the matter. Until the machine arrives ( which is currently en-route ) I remain optimistic on the tape contents, seeing the one tape labeled Wimbledon 77', leaves some hope possibly? But then again, these may very well just be dubs from the Lundy Tapes that have been doing the rounds for some time. I had purchased the listed lot of tapes, but there was also another batch of 60 + tapes being sold by the same seller at the time ( Dr.Who content, as well as a variety of random tapes, will be using one of these random unlabeled tapes to test the player upon arrival, as has been suggested, many thanks for the great suggestion there), which did not sell, which I also purchased along with the posted lot of tapes, as thought that " a shot in the dark is better than no shot at all. I have been pondering of late wondering if there could be any chance these were generational copies, made on another format, and later transfered to Beta Tapes for trading, and easy viewing ? No idea if this is possible or not, but have heard examples of this happening in the past, just a random thought on the matter. As always, I will attempt to do my utmost best in the matter. If nothing comes of it, at least the attempt was made. Many thanks again to all for the support here, is very much appreciated. Cheers, Lance. Good luck! I'll be interested to learn if that Wimbledon '77 tape is an off-air recording from 1977. That's the vintage of tape we want to find at least.
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Post by LanceM on Dec 3, 2008 19:29:05 GMT
Hello Again,
Firstly wanted to state my apologies that this project has been taking so long, had to wait a long while for the Betamax machine to arrive, which did, tested a tape, and works perfectly, almost like new. Is a old player from 1979 a Sears Betavision top loader, really a vintage player, was kept in its original box, looks almost new, probably only used once or twice at the most.
Tested one of the random unlabeled blank betamax tapes that was in the lot of tapes purchased, and played back, the colour looked great, could clearly see was a colour recording of some sort of bike race.However am guessing that these tapes were recorded in Beta III or II as when played back on my machine they play fast.Am still checking the tapes, but can see that the Ambassadors of Death tape looks to be a Black and White recording, as was suggested may be an possible option given the labels on the other tapes. Though have yet to find the recording of Mind Of Evil on the tape on which it is labeled, and there is a copy of Invasion Of The Dinosaurs ep 1, which has some colour sheen to it, looks like could of been a colour recording, but since my machine is playing the tapes fast, is rather hard to determine at times, as picture fluctuates on some tapes have tried. As a pleasant surprise there are several bits of full continuity announcements, and Doctor Who related TV spots, these have been really neat to see, as have never seen any of these elsewhere before, or heard of for that matter. The tape with Moonbase 2,4 seems to have what is labeled on it, am still looking through that one to see if Power Of The Daleks 2 is the recon, or possibly something more, will have to keep on looking. Also the Wimbledon 1977 recording does have what is labeled to be on it, and in full colour as well, that is hopeful at least there.
I have a old VHS tape which I purchased off ebay some time ago of a colour recording of The Mutants, looked like an original off air TV recording had some TV station logo could not identify immediately present. I attempted then to ask the seller of there were any other colour Pertwee recordings in his possession. He stated sadly not, that he had found this tape a long time ago at some swap meet apparently, and having been a fan as a kid picked up the tape for old times sake. Still attempting to learn more about that one, as am hoping this could leave chances open for other colour Pertwee recordings having been made.
Again, many thanks to all for the support, assistance, info in this matter.Is very much appreciated indeed.
Cheers, Lance.
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Post by JeffL on Dec 14, 2008 3:46:12 GMT
This sounds like a nice collection of shows and thanks for your help on this. Is there anyway to get it to someone with the proper Beta format player to take a look at that Dinosurs ep. 1 story to see if it really could be a color version?
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Post by LanceM on Jan 26, 2009 10:07:11 GMT
The easiest way would be to locate a suitable Beta II and III NTSC combo/player in good working condition to obtain a proper playback, if anyone would be willing to assist here, the effort and assistance would be much appreciated. Have also looked at the Power of The Daleks labeling and Underwater Menace listed tapes of late, the Power item did indeed look like the discussed early recon, was very interesting to see though.The Underwater Menace also had a copy of episode 3, sadly not the labeled episode 2, would of been nice if it did.
Many thanks to all again for the kind words, and assistance in this latest prospect.
Cheers,Lance.
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