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Post by Daniel O'Brien on Oct 4, 2008 13:53:42 GMT
This has been covered before (many times) but the recent debate about what might be lurking in Australia got me thinking about overseas recoveries of missing episodes.
Confining myself to 1960s episodes returned after 1978, I can think of the following:
AUSTRALIA
The Celestial Toymaker 4 (plus, I think, The War Machines 2 and The Faceless Ones 1, already held by the BBC)
CYPRUS
The Reign of Terror 1-3 (was there also a Cyprus copy of part 6, already held by the BBC?)
HONG KONG
Tomb of the Cybermen 1-4 (I believe that Web of Fear 1 was returned to the BBC in 1976 or thereabouts)
NEW ZEALAND
The Crusade 1
NIGERIA
The Time Meddler 1-4
The War Machines 1-4
Are there any others I missed?
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Post by Greg H on Oct 4, 2008 16:40:02 GMT
I think web was returned a year or two later if I remember correctly. An expert will be along in a mo or two  |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 4, 2008 21:44:25 GMT
NEW ZEALAND The Crusade 1 NIGERIA The Time Meddler 1-4 The War Machines 1-4 If you're making a list of film movements, you should know that NZ print of The Crusade came from Australia, and that the two 'Nigeria' stories originated from New Zealand. Jon |
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Post by Daniel O'Brien on Oct 5, 2008 13:26:11 GMT
I think web was returned a year or two later if I remember correctly. An expert will be along in a mo or two I used to think it was 1978 (thanks to DWM) but was later given the earlier date. |
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Post by Daniel O'Brien on Oct 5, 2008 15:28:54 GMT
If you're making a list of film movements, you should know that NZ print of The Crusade came from Australia, and that the two 'Nigeria' stories originated from New Zealand. Jon Thanks for the information. Film movements deserve a thread of their own, though the issue raises interesting questions about episode recovery. Would the 'Time Meddler' and 'War Machines' prints survive today if they hadn't been sold to Nigeria? New Zealand TV seems to have been very efficient at following BBC dictates (as were many other countries, so far as I can tell). |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 5, 2008 15:36:54 GMT
I used to think it was 1978 (thanks to DWM) but was later given the earlier date. It was Ian Levine who stated that after he instigated the halt on episodes being destroyed in 1978, Sue Malden then went down the Villiers House and discovered Episode 1 of The Web of Fear that had only just been returned from Hong Kong. However, the archive holdings documents for The Lively Arts: Whose Doctor Who shows that it has been sitting in the BBC since at least November 1976 when pre-production work was underway. Richard |
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Post by M. Wilson on Oct 5, 2008 22:08:13 GMT
Has a list ever been compiled of the last known whereabouts of lost episodes? And, I don't mean just "Nigeria" or "New Zealand" but specific institutions?
M
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 5, 2008 22:12:28 GMT
Not that I'm aware, but it wouldn't be difficult to do as the vast majority of countries only had one station. An hour going through the respective editions of the World Radio TV Handbook would yield the details.
Richard
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Post by Daniel O'Brien on Oct 6, 2008 12:57:53 GMT
the archive holdings documents for The Lively Arts: Whose Doctor Who shows that it has been sitting in the BBC since at least November 1976 when pre-production work was underway. Richard Thanks for the clarification. I tend not to think of 'Web' 1 as a recovered episode, as it came back to the BBC via normal channels prior to 1978. Could be argued either way, of course. |
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